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[vadia]

I was thinking that Dwarves get artifacts, why don't humans and goblins have blood magic.  it makes sense -- the gobbos steal the dwarf kids and drain their blood for VERY illicit magic.  The humans have their distateful (but not so much that it is worth a war [usually]) animal blood magic also.

Of course Dwarf blood is the most magical of all -- therefore the snatchers drool over the hope of getting a fresh specimen.  Elf may be next most magical, then human, and finally animal.

No (unmodded) dwarf would perform such distateful rites --thus avoiding the D&D connumdrum of having enemies with magic just makes gives the player toys.

And with modding you can D&D it -- mostly.

[Rowanas]

There are better places to argue this. Go to one of the many magic threads already in existence.

[Nivim]

 I doubt he wants to argue; just presenting an idea. However, there are multiples books worth of magic threads, and it shouldn't be too hard to find the current one.

[thijser]

But what type of effect should these new kinds of magic have? Currently the main use for artifacts is to train a dwarf.

[vadia]

But what type of effect should these new kinds of magic have? Currently the main use for artifacts is to train a dwarf.

I do not wish to get into the main magic discussion, which  -- at least not yet.  Nor do I wish to specify this magic because there already is a main magic thread.

My main point is that the opposition should have a different magic system than dwarven, and that blood magic makes sense with all the humans carrying around a ton of blood and the goblins capturing sentients.

Furthermore Toady One's artifact and magic discussion http://www.bay12games.com/media/df_talk_7_transcript_2.html is where I want the discussion for artifacts and magic  -- he is asking the questions I'd like him to ask for my sake.  Therefore I feel the opposition magic will have the corresponding questions and any additional advice would be superflous and maybe even distracting.

I do however want an artifact to be more powerful than opposition magic over the long run
sorry if the emphasis gets annoying, just trying to distill my point.  [you have made a crummy point beverage [100] worth 1 dwarfbuck]

[Rowanas]

Ah. I see the distinction where I did not before.

I disagree that Dwarven artifact magic should overpower the magic of the other races over any term, nor do I agree that races should have particular magical types. For the purposes of fortress, sure, maybe artifacts would be the standard, but every civ (or site, even) on a given world that isn't yours should be able to determine it's own magical type. Perhaps this might be biased (as dictated by the raws), but I see no reason to say humans do -foo-, but all goblins do -foo2-.

Also, the more different types of magic you put in, the easier it is to mod your dwarf fortress to use a different kind of magic if so choose. Oh, won't SOMEBODY think of the modders?

[ZebioLizard2]

Actually it might make sense for gobbos to do -foo2-

They are often demon lead/have contact with them remember, and demons in particular might have much more different magics.

[Rowanas]

Zeblo, true, but if they don't have a demon leader, I see no reason for them to automatically do -foo2- just because all the demon-led ones do.

[Nivim]

My main point is that the opposition should have a different magic system than dwarven, and that blood magic makes sense with all the humans carrying around a ton of blood and the goblins capturing sentients.

  Not only that, but the other magic threads went into the detail of a procedurally generated magic system for every world. They spoke of how there would be a setting for mysterious magic versus Vancian magic (Like the other 1-100 worldgen settings), and of how symbolism would be used for determining a lot of magic. So that any race could have blood magic if their symbols were related to it. And since the magic stuff is a long way into the future, we'll probably have for more complex civilizations and races to add these magic effects too.
 This entire subject has been trodden down to the bedrock; go res' one of the other threads!

Edit: And since you haven't realized; goblins steal children to bolster their own numbers. The harsh conditions in their towers allow any member to die equally, leading to a decline in the goblin race but and very strong goblin culture.