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[Beeskee]

Modding support is great. Easier modding support would be even better.

The less files that need to be modified, the easier modding is.

Right now, even for simple mods, a bunch of files need to be changed. A custom workshop or reaction needs changes to the custom workshop file and the race files. If it was a plug-and-play file that could be dropped in, instead of a modification to an existing file, and it included a command like ADD_TO_RACES:ALL or ADD_TO_RACES:DWARF or something like that, custom workshops and reactions could be made "drag and drop to add."

There are a bunch of examples I bet others could find as well.

[jaked122]

no, what you are talking about it already simple, you edit the tissue definitions rather than the creature definition and it would be applied to a new world. if you want it to be available without regen, especially after adding entries, the only reason that doesn't work is because the save file's structure probably doesn't allow such things.

[Shadowclaimer]

Modding support is great. Easier modding support would be even better.

The less files that need to be modified, the easier modding is.

Right now, even for simple mods, a bunch of files need to be changed. A custom workshop or reaction needs changes to the custom workshop file and the race files. If it was a plug-and-play file that could be dropped in, instead of a modification to an existing file, and it included a command like ADD_TO_RACES:ALL or ADD_TO_RACES:DWARF or something like that, custom workshops and reactions could be made "drag and drop to add."

There are a bunch of examples I bet others could find as well.

Actually something like that would be very nice, then I could say add a HighElves.txt file that starts with the line "[INSERTINTO:ENTITIES]" then follow up with all the code, allowing us to organize and drag/drop files appropriately.

[silverskull39]

Modding support is great. Easier modding support would be even better.

The less files that need to be modified, the easier modding is.

Right now, even for simple mods, a bunch of files need to be changed. A custom workshop or reaction needs changes to the custom workshop file and the race files. If it was a plug-and-play file that could be dropped in, instead of a modification to an existing file, and it included a command like ADD_TO_RACES:ALL or ADD_TO_RACES:DWARF or something like that, custom workshops and reactions could be made "drag and drop to add."

There are a bunch of examples I bet others could find as well.

Actually something like that would be very nice, then I could say add a HighElves.txt file that starts with the line "[INSERTINTO:ENTITIES]" then follow up with all the code, allowing us to organize and drag/drop files appropriately.

and then, farther down in the code, have the part for the creature placed after the line "[INSERTINTO:CREATURE_STANDARD]"  which would allow us to keep all the information for a modded creature or even a whole full conversion mod in just one or two text files that don't need to be manually added to the rest of the text. I am in full support of this. maybe throw in an "[ENDINSERT]" line in at the end of each portion so it knows not to put all the code into the first insert destination.

[NW_Kohaku]

Honestly, I'd rather push Toady to make more things raw-moddable than bother Toady with trying to make the raws user-friendly, which might just scare him away from putting the things I really want to see in the raws from getting raw-ified in the first place if he feels like it would be too much work.

[Knight Otu]

That is something that I mentioned in another suggestion thread as well, among other raws suggestions. Of the currently existing raw objects, I do think entities are the only ones that truly "need" a modifier file (not in the sense of it being required, but in the sense that the file is mostly modified by necessity). With other objects, there is little need for modifier files.

It is hardly a priority, but it is something that would be nice to have, especially for mods released to the public.

Spoiler: Quote from other thread (click to show/hide)

The entity file already is by necessity a heavily modified file right now - new reaction? Toss it into the entity file. New buildings or items? Also go into the entity file. New entity position? Same. So, it would make sense for the entity file to also get an entity modification file to minimize the need to touch that file.

entity_modification_*.txt
[MODIFY_ENTITY:MOUNTAIN]

ADD_PERMITTED_REACTION
ADD_PERMITTED_REACTION_CLASS
ADD_PERMITTED_BUILDING
ADD_PERMITTED_BUILDING_CLASS
ADD_WEAPON/ARMOR...
ADD_ENTITY_POSITION
ADD_PET/MOUNT...

[Shadowclaimer]

Modding support is great. Easier modding support would be even better.

The less files that need to be modified, the easier modding is.

Right now, even for simple mods, a bunch of files need to be changed. A custom workshop or reaction needs changes to the custom workshop file and the race files. If it was a plug-and-play file that could be dropped in, instead of a modification to an existing file, and it included a command like ADD_TO_RACES:ALL or ADD_TO_RACES:DWARF or something like that, custom workshops and reactions could be made "drag and drop to add."

There are a bunch of examples I bet others could find as well.

Actually something like that would be very nice, then I could say add a HighElves.txt file that starts with the line "[INSERTINTO:ENTITIES]" then follow up with all the code, allowing us to organize and drag/drop files appropriately.

and then, farther down in the code, have the part for the creature placed after the line "[INSERTINTO:CREATURE_STANDARD]"  which would allow us to keep all the information for a modded creature or even a whole full conversion mod in just one or two text files that don't need to be manually added to the rest of the text. I am in full support of this. maybe throw in an "[ENDINSERT]" line in at the end of each portion so it knows not to put all the code into the first insert destination.

Exactly!

I do agree Toady does need to focus on more Raw-able objects primarily, but I still think having the modding be more organized would be nice as well. Personally I hate having to back up my files then do my edits, then try to find where in the file my edits are located, etc. constantly, currently comments are the only way to keep track of that. Would work a lot nicer to be able to place the whole race (Entity, Creature) into one .txt file, drop it in the folder, then if you see issues arise, pull that one file out for debugging.

[Aramco]

So all you need is a [INSERT_INTO:insert name here] tag.

[silverskull39]

actually, you could probably do this with a third party program or something, but I'm not sure. I'm no programmer.

[Keuran]

Uristmod Is made almost specifically for this purpose. It would be great if more people used it.