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[C4lv1n]

So yeah, two things.

1. I have an obsidian layer, and I designated the entire thing for digging, and set 2 of my 4 miners to dig that exclusively. I also have 4 previously unskilled workers working at 4 workshops to produce the swords. The problem is they keep coming out as [wood type] short swords. I know that an obsidian sword takes 1 obsidian and 1 wood, but shouldn't it come out as obsidian? Alternatively, is it really made of obsidian, but it messes up the name? Or am I wasting my time making wooden swords.

2. Where do I go to learn about military training? The wiki is confusing.

[Cotes]

Rock swords are bugged right now. Not that obsidian swords would be as good anymore though.

[C4lv1n]

 

[Misterstone]

Well it was normal for obsidian swords to require wood, because they were in effect wooden clubs with a stone blade attached on the outside.  The bug that exists lists them as wood, but if MagmaWiki is to be trusted, I think they still function as obsidian swords (which in older versions were pretty deadly)?  Is that right?

[Quietust]

It's possible that they're actually being created as plain wooden swords due to the same bug that makes coke/pearlash vials instead of green/clear glass vials.

[Solace]

I don't know how strong obsidian swords are supposed to be, but they don't seem noticeably better than ordinary wooden swords, as far as I can tell.

[Alastar]

Hmm, interesting. Obsidian doesn't seem to have an entry in most of the stress values combat calculations are based on. Obsidian does, however, have a Max_Edge defined, and it's 20000 (most metals: 10000. Adamantine: 100000 which doesn't even make sense considering how absurdly sharp obsidian blades can get in real life).

Maybe you end up with a wooden sword that has a very sharp edge; it may make sense to test whether it has unusual properties. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if outperformed steel against naked flesh but became hopeless against any form of armour.

[Lord Shonus]

That's pretty much how it works. Rock swords display as wood, but take their name from the log used rather than the stone. They're good for hunting or in an arena, because neither animals or prisoners are usually armoured, but they do poorly against metal armor. Which is as it should be.

[Grimlocke]

The bug causes swords to use the wood material instead of the obsidian once. They have no material values of obsidian whatsoever.

Also stone is significantely stronger then wood, not only due to the increased max_edge but also the material template it uses (edge is just one of the many values used in combat calculation). The stone template has better material properties then the wood one.

Basicaly what you are producing is elf swords. You can use them in traps to stab the hippies with, but I realy wouldnt give them to your soldiers unless you just dont like your soldiers.

[Shrugging Khan]

So...it's bugged and useless. For shame! >:O

[darkflagrance]

Now that I think about it, someone could probably create a mod that actually allows rock swords to be created.

It could be promoted as a temporary bug fix until Toady addresses the problem.

[Alastar]

Thanks for the clarification, Grimlocke. I had a look through the templates, and the stone one looks quite unattractive for edged weapons with its very low shear strength (much worse than wood); I'm not sure whether other factors such as density would offset this.

I'm very curious about the performance of obsidian weapons if they were actually implemented, being very fragile but twice as sharp as ordinary metal. How would we implement a quick fix?

[majikero]

Mod it to make bolts