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Author Topic: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen  (Read 2039 times)

NightmareBros

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Because, you know, masterpiece. I'd like to know what's on the engraving without having to look through my 200+ other engravings of cheese and dorfs and tables, spread throughout my fort.

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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 11:13:36 am »

cept then when every second engraving is masterpiece you cant find any artifacts
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 11:15:20 am »

Why should masterpiece engravings appear on the artifacts screen? They aren't artifacts. If anything, they should be on another screen altogether.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 11:15:33 am »

Also, just because a work is masterpiece doesn't mean it ISN'T about cheese.  Engraving subjects are randomized the same if they are masterpiece or exceptional, so it wouldn't even help you find the ones you were looking for, anyway.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 11:19:12 am »

Curses! foiled again!
But in all seriousness, I would really appreciate a function that would let me know where my masterpiece work is. So I can avoid doing silly things to it such as pouring magma down a hallway full of not exactly good engravings of elephants and cheese and dorfs and puppies being speared to death.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 02:34:52 pm »

Masterpieces aren't artifacts.   Artifacts represent more than 'a very high quality'.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 02:38:44 pm »

It's true that masterwork is different than artifact, but... Does the engraver get all sad if you accidentally mine their masterwork engravings? If so, then I suppose you ought to be able to tell where those walls are better.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 02:52:16 pm »

It's true that masterwork is different than artifact, but... Does the engraver get all sad if you accidentally mine their masterwork engravings? If so, then I suppose you ought to be able to tell where those walls are better.

It's much easier to tell whether masterworks are where you are about to start mining by looking at the map with the 'k' button than it is by opening up a list that does not show where in the fort they are, and having to manually go through hundreds of them with the "zoom to item" button.  And the 'k' button can quite easily tell you if there are masterwork engravings in the area.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 03:07:07 pm »

It's true that masterwork is different than artifact, but... Does the engraver get all sad if you accidentally mine their masterwork engravings? If so, then I suppose you ought to be able to tell where those walls are better.

It's much easier to tell whether masterworks are where you are about to start mining by looking at the map with the 'k' button than it is by opening up a list that does not show where in the fort they are, and having to manually go through hundreds of them with the "zoom to item" button.  And the 'k' button can quite easily tell you if there are masterwork engravings in the area.
True. I suppose it's usually making new hallways when you find yourself needing to clear out potentially engraved walls, which means around 2-8 tiles that need to go... Not too overbearing to check out.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 05:00:55 pm »

I, personally, don't engrave until I'm certain I'm done expanding. That way, I don't have to worry about defacing some poor legendary dwarf's greatest work.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2010, 01:19:36 pm »

Destroying masterpiece engravings isn't that big deal, the amount of -happiness a dorf gets for a destroyed masterpiece becomes less the more masterpiece they have and at level 15+ engravers tend to produce them every 2nd or 3rd engraving making the penalty rather small.

Also, if i activate my engraver as a miner and have him mine out that wall destroying his own masterpiece does that change the effect in any way? eg. less happiness decrease or such.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2010, 03:16:43 pm »

Why should masterpiece engravings appear on the artifacts screen? They aren't artifacts. If anything, they should be on another screen altogether.

I think this is a better idea.  I'd like to have some idea what masterpieces my dwarves are making or have made recently.  I don't need a complete list, but the last few would be nice.

You could even do that by changing the message that occurs when a dwarf makes a masterpiece to something like "Urist has just created a masterpiece microline statue!" instead of the message we get now that gives so little information.  For engravings, maybe that message could give coordinates?  I'm sure that the game must use some kind of (x, y, z) coordinates, so it would be nice to show those somewhere and then the message could give you the coordinates of the masterpiece engraving.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2010, 04:23:10 pm »

The best solution to this 'problem' would seem to be something akin to the option to show engravings, but showing an icon indicating the quality level instead, this would also make designating rooms during the economy much easier when you can see that <random area here> has 5 masterpieces in it and your dwarves wont be able to afford it.
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Re: Masterpiece engravings should appear on the artifacts screen
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 03:53:32 am »

The best solution to this 'problem' would seem to be something akin to the option to show engravings, but showing an icon indicating the quality level instead, this would also make designating rooms during the economy much easier when you can see that <random area here> has 5 masterpieces in it and your dwarves wont be able to afford it.
This.

(Although it would be even nicer to get such a 'Quality overlay' directly for rooms so that different level rooms would be shown in different colors...)
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