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Re: Geert Wilders
« Reply #150 on: July 07, 2010, 04:42:36 pm »

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Re: Geert Wilders
« Reply #151 on: July 09, 2010, 04:49:31 am »

For this whole "freedom of speech" thing.
Forumsdwarf I understand that you'd like that it is what these war are about.
What I would like is if everyone thought as we did on the subject of basic freedoms, although for them to tolerate us would be an acceptable second-best.
That's not the world we live in, and all the violence, intolerance, and censorship in the name of Islam proves it.  Need I go over the list of Fatwahs and death sentences yet again?  It is as if you have censored the name "Theo van Gogh" right out of your own brain or forgotten that Ayaan Hirsi-Ali is here because she is not safe over there because of Muslim intolerance.
So we must make our stand for our way of life just as anyone else must who wants to live a life of their own choosing.  That also includes the terrorists, who I am sure are appalled that their children are drawn to what they must perceive as the decadence of the West.
In a way I pity them, as they feel just as strongly about their ways as I do about mine, yet without the firepower to see their way prevail they have chosen a path that will only hasten their destruction.
Better them than us.
In a few generations their religion will be as harmless as Shintoism, and no one will want to draw Muhammad cartoons.  When was the last time anyone drew a cartoon of His Imperial Majesty Akihito?  And who would want to?  He seems like a nice guy.

Unfortunately, I have to point out that it have never been part of the US agenda.
"Never" is a pretty broad generalization, which should clue you in right off the bat that you've said something regrettable.  Rather than rub your nose in it I'll let you do the research and feel the shame in private.
But had you said "some" then you'd have a valid argument.  However, just because we don't invade our allies and force change doesn't mean we don't exert influence.
Just look at Kuwait.  Besides Desert Storm they have one more thing in common with Iraq: women's suffrage.  We didn't impose it when we liberated them from Saddam and some people criticized us for that.  Now their leaders have chosen it for themselves ... with the encouragement and clear approval of their best friend and most powerful ally the United States.

First point : mainstream Islam is not for censorship
It's really a question of percentages, isn't it?  If you grabbed a random Muslim off the streets and said, "If you had the power to burn every last copy of The Satanic Verses would you do it?"  How many would say, "Yes?"  I don't know the answer to that question, and frankly neither do you.
Whatever that proportion is, religious reform means reducing it to negligibility, like the number of Christians who would ban evolution from textbooks.  There are some, but not enough to matter.
Furthermore, when some Christians get it into their heads to try to ban evolution other Christians rush to defend it.  The good Christians do their best to keep the bad ones from giving the whole religion a bad reputation.
With Islam it's always, "We're the real victims here!  The United States is imperialist and evil!  They gave biological weapons to Iraq!"  It's the same kind of crap every time there's a terrorist attack.

And that is one case, in one organization. Beside his conclusion has been validated by other expert.
"Expert" Nazi-sympathizers agreeing with each other ... what a shock!  A completely one-sided condemnation of Israeli "human rights violations" can't be far behind ... because every expert knows it's only a war crime if Israel does it.
Here's a clue: any degree of double-standard destroys all credibility.  War is an awful thing, so one should expect awful things so long as Hamas and Israel are fighting one.  A "war crime" has to be worse than war or the claim is itself just wartime propaganda as risible as the broadcasts of Tokyo Rose or Baghdad Bob.

Burning civilian with white phosphorus for nor reason is a must bigger crime than censoring piglet.
Do you ever bother to research the propaganda you've been spoon-fed before you regurgitate it?  Israeli WP rounds are used for illumination, not as anti-personnel weapons.  We used it extensively, too, until our NV gear got so good we were better off in the dark.

third point: You don't even make sense . Why would pen need backup from something weaker.
Why do axles need wheels?  The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Re: Geert Wilders
« Reply #152 on: July 09, 2010, 05:19:08 am »

Why do axles need wheels?  The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
::) You're still missing the point of the saying. Pen is still better than pen + sword.

And still: Enforcing your truths on other people makes you... As bad as someone forcing their truths on you.
Carefully evading the adhom: Opinions like yours and Geerts make me sick. Sick as in I want to puke, because I cannot understand why people can be so thick, and somehow must insist on making this already suffering world an even worse place. Because your opinions, when practiced in real life, make the world worse.
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Re: Geert Wilders
« Reply #153 on: July 09, 2010, 02:51:55 pm »

Inbreeding. I suppose we could blame that. That, or we will just have to live with the fact that humanity has some very rotten apples in it.

Either way Siquo is right, people like this forumsdwarf or Wilders are the worst. They are somehow stupid enough to believe the stupid nonsense they get fed up with, yet just smart (or at least well worded) enough to convince other stupid (or poorply educated) people. Its these people that end up trying to get states/leader/chiefs/etc to adopt laws like 'gays should be jailed', 'adulterers should be stoned' or 'religeon A should be banned for fallacy B and halftruth C'. They are often responsible for terrorist organisations, but also intolerant laws and general xenophobia amongst their countymen.

Oh and it just annoys me how Forumsdwarf instantly calls anyone who criticizes Isreal's practices a Nazi. What the hell is up with that? Moran. Your statements never make sense but that is just plain insulting.
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Re: Geert Wilders
« Reply #154 on: July 09, 2010, 08:12:52 pm »

Forumsdwarf is gone.  People should be respectful and stuff.
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