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Veroule

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A stack of odd suggestions
« on: May 07, 2007, 02:32:00 am »

1. A global job allowance.  Much like the per dwarf v-p-l, but global allowing us to turn off a whole class of job all at once without going to every unit that does it.

I recently decided to try something with a siege.  I set up a backdoor into my fortress and lined it with a large number of stone fall traps.  After welcoming the goblins to come in they promptly started dying.  My dwarves though immediately decided they should run over there to reload the traps.  There were still many goblins waiting to die.  This created a very large mess.

However, learning on my part that they would consider reloading the traps above everything else, I would turn off mechanics for them so they didn't.  It is far too much of a pain to go through every single dwarf to turn it off though, and then do it again to turn it back on.  Global off please.

2. No children designation.  I know I suggested a playground to keep kids occupied before.  I would most like to see a "No Child" designation.

Very recently I went through my normal motions to drown yet another evil sheriff of Nottingham.  Sadly, that act of opening the murder path to the outside promptly caused 4 children to get the idea of exploring the passage.  They had already travelled it over 100 times, but they just had to walk there.  I ordered the death of all of them.

The joys of drowning yet another evil sheriff did not outweigh the loss of 4 siblings in the minds of my young marks dwarves.  One went beserk and began taking pot shots at his parents, another just threw a tantrum, other children just lay down and wept.

Thankfully though time reversed itself and none of that is remembered as having happened.  Except for me.  All because there is no way for parents to tell thier children DO NOT DO THAT!

3. Dwarven children that have reached adulthood still follow thier mother around.  Please let them grow up!  It is sad seeing a teenage dwarf in full plate aromor run around after his mother.

4. I am sure this has been suggested before, but we need weapons practice dummies.  I would guess that at least to accomplished or professional skill levels should be able to be developed working with a dummy.  Sparring is far to dangerous with unskilled yet strong and mighty dwarves.

5. Jobs need to cancel themselves sometimes.  I have a bunch of stockpiles that I like to fill with stone.  I can't have them continously filled with stone though, because that would actually slow things down during critical moments.  So I set these stockpiles to grab stone when there is nothing better to be done.  I can't always anticipate things coming up though.  So when I remove stone from the list of things that the stockpile should get I would like it to remove all of the jobs for grabbing stone that don't currently have a dwarf assigned.  It is silly having to wait for those 20 jobs to finish.

6. Reloading stone fall traps always drives me nuts.  I have yet to see one of these traps figure its reload stone as the one that is right fucking there.  Once I had a trap that was currently inaccessible pick a stone halfway across the world and directly where I wanted to build a bridge.  The bridge kept being suspended until I could figure out that the trap had claimed that particularly ugly piece of sandstone.  Is it too much to ask that the stone isn't chosen until a dwarf actually goes to preform the loading; and at that time he picks the closest available stone to the trap, instead of hauling one all the way there?

7. Proactive drinking.  I like to keep my dwarves happy, it actually bothers me that they had a negative thought about being thirsty when they over slept.

On the other hand, they might have been right by all the drink they want.  However they set off for a job at the other end of the fortress and then realize they want a drink.  I would much rather see them drink early and for an appropiately shorter period before taking that job, than walk all the way there and be unhappy.  Small check guessing how long it will take versus how long till they need to drink.  Just drink early and drink often.

8. Do dwarves ever tire of having kids?!  You would think 10 would be enough.  I tried playing around with the baby and child ages in the raws too. There might be 2 different suggestions here.  Limit on just many kids that woman is willing to pop out; and second disallow getting pregneant while she already has a baby.  Then adjust the baby age up some.  Dwarves are set to live 150 or so years after all, why shouldn't we baby them for 3.

9. Quick keys in building.  I am sure I have read a few suggestions along this line.  Building a bridge is a great example since you can use just about anything.  I would love to have something displayed somewhere, maybe the bottom line.  That says "(S)tone (B)locks B(a)rs (L)ogs" and the keys in parenthesis would jump to the first item of that type.

10. Piles, piles everywhere; and why does coal (under bars) mean charcoal too, flasks (under finished goods) also means waterskins, boxes and bags (under furniture/siege ammo [what kind of screwy grouping is that]) never grabs empty bags?  Why do we have to enable and disable these things to see what is there?  Screen space doesn't seem to be lacking, there is a big blank space just waiting for the enable.  Just have all the stuff displayed there with nothing turned on and get rid of that stupid enable and disable.  While you are at it get rid of those defaults, I can't even count how many times I went to hit F to forbid something in there and caught the D.  Then I had to redo the entire piles settings.  Modifying the settings for a pile is something that a new player isn't likely to figure out early and doesn't need those defaults.  

So something like five suggestions here: seperate items more clearly, get rid of the enable/disable and its defaults, display all the choices, better coloring grey/light grey/white is not a big enough difference, allow quality distinction.  I know I didn't explain all of them.

11.  While I am at piles, from time to time I create a stockpile around walls and furniture.  Then the development of things requires that furniture or walls be moved, however the pile is still properly placed.  I would like to be able to resize the pile, fill in that missing spot, whatever.  It is nice that I can p-x out a spot if I need to, but there is no way to define that back in.  Some people are going to say so what, for those people all I have to say is pay attention.  Pile 1 grabs things well before pile 20 and it can be important from time to time.

12. Armor.  I still can't figure out why dwarves don't grab the best possible armor to thier specified level automatically.  I also can't figure why when better armor is made they won't upgrade.  Please can we get these things?

12. Again with the armor, this time a matter of the armor user skill.  The skill should increase with just walking around in armor.  If you need to prove this to yourself go out and get a pair of steel toed boots.  After a day or two of walking around in them it will feel comfortable.  It doesn't take someone actually swinging a hammer at your toes.  Although that will give you happy thoughts if you are wearing them, if not you will likely have broken toes and one of us will order you drowned.  Dwarves are actually sleeping in thier armor, don't you think that would teach them how to handle wearing armor better, or do you like like sleeping in steel toed boots?

13. The stay indoors order.  I still can't figure out what is so hard about this for a species that is supposed to be wanting to that anyways.  Reiterating something I mentioned above about children immedietaly deciding to explore a passage, well it seems there goal is to walk around outside.  I also have another odd dwarf that wants to store a claimed turtle, however that turtle is outside.  Can we please get these jobs and actions to check the orders before they start.  If a child takes it into thier mind to wander to point f,g,h and that is within the outside X,Y,Z then it just should be aborted by the order.  A dwarf shouldn't have to walk outside before realizing he isn't supposed to be there.

14. It might be concieveable to add an indoors/outdoors definition to specific locations.  80-100,80-100,0 might be what I would define as outdoors while 80-100,80-100,z!=0 would be indoors.  I know some designation abilities were added, perhaps a simple outdoors demarcartion line would be enough.
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I am sure many of the above were mentioned before.  I also don't expect any of them to make it to the next version, they are just food for thought.

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Mechanoid

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Re: A stack of odd suggestions
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2007, 03:58:00 am »

quote:
Originally posted by Veroule:
1. Global job orders are a good idea... Personally, all traps should stop being remarmed during a seige, anyways.
(at least, in areas that are 'controlled' by the seigers.

2. "No kids" on doors would definitely also be a good idea for keeping them out of military barracks or the butchery, unless they get the sad thought of seeing death.

3. Dwarves following their parents around as an adult definitely sounds like a bug to me, so it will probably stop in the next (or next to next) version.

4. A training dummy is an excellent idea, as long as it does not completely replace sparring.

5. Already there. Orders -> Dwarves ignore stone hauling.

6. A good idea. Dwarf gets job to load trap, goes to trap, picks closest stone, and loads trap with it.

7. Dwarves sustaining themselves pro-actively would be wonderful. Then there'd be a reason to have a 20+ capacity dining hall; LUNCH TIME!

8. A human female can have 1 child every year safely between the ages of 16 and 60. To say the same relative to dwarves would also be fair... Besides.
MORE SOLDIERS!

9. N/C

10/11. More/clear pile settings = good. Quality levels for piles = very good. Easy resize of piles = very very good

12. Faster equiping = Very good. Natural increase = Good, but no super-high skill from lounging in it all day.

13/14. Um, ya. Outdoors needs reworking.


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Re: A stack of odd suggestions
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2007, 09:26:00 am »

quote:
Originally posted by Mechanoid:
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8. A human female can have 1 child every year safely between the ages of 16 and 60. To say the same relative to dwarves would also be fair... Besides.
MORE SOLDIERS!

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I'd say between ages 16 and 40. I believe it becomes increasingly risky and difficult to have babies after that age. Of course it varies between individuals and there's no exact age which after can't have babies.

Anyways to the point. I agree with Veroule in that dwarfes should have some cultural, personal or economical reasons to be satisfied to certain amount of babies. It could be traditional to have five babies in family, although mother could just refuse to become pregnant after the first one. Also, as in real life, families could have many, many children because of high mortality rates or becouse children are needed to support their parents when their old.

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Dedas

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Re: A stack of odd suggestions
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2007, 09:33:00 am »

You know you are discussing dwarf women don't you? The common conception is that they live far longer than humans, something that should affect their age of fertility.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2007, 09:36:00 am »

It should also be dependent on how successful the fortress is. If every is starving, having children is going to be the last thing on their minds.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2007, 10:20:00 am »

On the armor thing:  I think just walking around in armor should raise skill only until a certain point.  Something like the non-descript skill level.
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Re: A stack of odd suggestions
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2007, 02:13:00 am »

Just a small note: Gestation period is usually proportional to life span.  In other words, since dwarves live longer than humans, every life stage should be longer as well.  In fact, some studies show that as human lifespans increase, human gestation periods are increasing too.  (I don't remember where I read this now though.)

Anyway, I pretty much agree with your points.  I think #6 could be applied more generally though.  For example, when building a building or a bridge, they should probably do the same thing.

Also, I think #11 may be related to the fact that furniture blocks detailing too.  (Or at least, the solutions may be related.)

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2007, 07:05:00 am »

quote:
1. A global job allowance. Much like the per dwarf v-p-l, but global allowing us to turn off a whole class of job all at once without going to every unit that does it.

The general solution would be allow you to select multiple dwarves in the u menu and change their prefs. That way you could choose e.g. all your growers in the spring and turn off hauling until winter.

A button to select all dwarves would then do what you want.

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Re: A stack of odd suggestions
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2007, 01:44:00 am »

Great suggestions sounding like they're coming from an experienced player.

On the point about child birth, wouldn't it be great if one of the nobles (maybe Mayor?) unlocked a Culture screen? This is probably more related to the advent of Religion, whenever that will be, but it would be great to modify/toggle/review such things as:

- Average number of preferred children
- Marriage rites and relations
- Monogamy/Polygamy
- Sexuality
- Gender roles
- Religion, observance rates
- Tolerance
- Global preference effect for jobs, items, places
- Sociability and social practice/place preferences
- Communality/Individuality scale (as well as other valued personality traits)
Etc Etc.

I'm sure there's plenty of threads here about these factors, and I imagine many such suggestions tie these things to one Noble who governs and decides these factors.

One thing I certainly love about DF is the Dwarfity (/Humanity) and inclusion of individual differences in the working of the fortress. This is one of the big reasons why I like to keep the population number low (less that 25) as this way I get to know and value each dwarf a lot more than a huge, anonymous populace.

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2007, 04:05:00 pm »

I think my fortress gets to "huge anonymous populace" at about 15.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2007, 08:25:00 pm »

Of course, Outdoors will obviously be redefined with the upcoming version.  I'd assume it to be something like "anywhere without rock overhead".
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2007, 06:03:00 am »

Umm, lets take for arguments sake the fertility ages of 16-40 and say a woman has a child a year. How many women do you know (in person or historic) who've had 24 kids? Point being that there need to be factors beyond fertility that determine chances of pregnancy\desire for children.

As a side note, I personally like running the large "anonymous" fortress, and I get to know the dwarves that distinguish themselves. Having a large fortress though:

a) gives me more to do.

b) makes me happy.

c) allows me to play on and not fret too much when I lose a few dwarves. I had a siege not too long ago where I lost (after injury insanity) about 15 dwarves, sounds like that would've been the end or an "end process" for some of you guys.

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2007, 09:30:00 pm »

In the beginning, i know my dwarfs because there are only a couple of them - i do not try to stifle immigration to keep it that way, i only transition to paying attention only to my highly skilled dwarfs.  Basically, I switch from having a small town where everyone knows everything about everyone to a city where everyone just knows the celebrities.
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