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[LegoLord]

So the other day, I thought, "hey, you can assign dwarves to use picks in the new military screen.  Wonder if that's still what they train  when fighting with them."

So basically, the idea is to draft some trainees into a squad that includes picks in it's uniform settings.  Then allow them to train for awhile and see if their mining skill goes up.  If it worked, it could potentially be very useful - and in more ways than one.  For one thing, consider the breaching of the hidden fun stuff.

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A whole squad of miners, constantly armored in adamantine mined from the upper portion of the vein, possibly even armed with adamantine picks, ready to start fighting the moment they breach the pits.  Or better yet, cause a cave in while the demons are still on their way and then putting them on military duty to fight the surviving demons.

Alas, my computer runs the current version of DF rather slowly, so it would take some time for me to fully test this.  I'm sure someone else out there could get the job done faster, though.

[Dave Mongoose]

It's an interesting idea... At the moment removing soldiers from the military is a little buggy, but once that's fixed I can see this as an effective way to keep your non-legendary miners busy and training while the legendary ones mine the high value ore clusters.

I'll give it a try when I get the chance, see if it really does raise mining (it might be considered an exploit or bug if it does, though).

As for the HFS idea:

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Picks are piercing weapons, so they will only be effective against demons with vital organs. It is possible for them to be completely lacking organs, so no 'pick through the brain' kills on demons like that. Those ones are more or less invincible anyway, so it's not a bad idea... Still, you should probably have your entire millitary ready if you are opening the HFS - no matter his armour or skill, one dwarf won't last long.

[AncientEnemy]

i just tested this, it does in fact raise mining. quite fast actually

[Max White]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
[NAME:pick:picks]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:MINING]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:4000:strike:strikes:NO_SUB:2000]

Yea, it uses the mining skill in combat rather then another skill, and trains mining.
I once modded in spades that use the planting skill and had legendary planters by means of combat.

[AncientEnemy]

after letting a dwarf with 0 mining skill do individual combat drills with a pick for 1 season (actually a little less than since i took a couple minutes building a carpenter's shop / armor stand), he became a professional miner. at this rate it'd take about 2 seasons to get a legendary miner just from training (and they gain fighter skill as well)

[edit] although actually get him to mine is proving problematic. or do any work for that matter.

[Urist McDepravity]

[edit] although actually get him to mine is proving problematic. or do any work for that matter.

Yeah, its a known bug. Anyone who ever had individual combat drill, will not work again anymore. They obey kill/move orders tho.

[MTJ]

[edit] although actually get him to mine is proving problematic. or do any work for that matter.

Yeah, its a known bug. Anyone who ever had individual combat drill, will not work again anymore. They obey kill/move orders tho.

Removing the barrack designation from the room they're training in, has worked for me.

[AncientEnemy]

usually works for me as well. didn't this time. then i completely eradicated all barracks / squads / militia commander position, no effect. it was weird because he'd half-acknowledge labor, if i set him to woodcutting he'd pick up an axe, but not chop trees. same with mining, pick but no digging. oh well.

[inteuniso]

I once modded in spades that use the planting skill and had legendary planters by means of combat.

I guess you could say the planted pain in the skulls of their enemies.

[Kietharr]

It'd be like a mining swat team. Making a forced entry into the clown crack house that we call hell. Get them some wrestler training and give them plenty of war dogs.

Maybe even get them swimming so they can also be AMPHIBIOUS! SCUBA dwarves diving into the underground pool to wrestle cave crocs would be sweet.

[LegoLord]

usually works for me as well. didn't this time. then i completely eradicated all barracks / squads / militia commander position, no effect. it was weird because he'd half-acknowledge labor, if i set him to woodcutting he'd pick up an axe, but not chop trees. same with mining, pick but no digging. oh well.

Hmm.  Maybe try temporarily eliminating the squad?  I suppose that once they were working again you could reassemble the squad and just not have them train, since that seems to be the problem.

[Max White]

I once modded in spades that use the planting skill and had legendary planters by means of combat.

I guess you could say the planted pain in the skulls of their enemies.

Haha, you should have seen the legendary butchers on the battle field. My god there was CARNAGE!

[shameless act of self promotion that should get a hammering]
I can link you to the download if you want to try it out.
[/egotistic suggestion]