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[smigenboger]

So...can oceans freeze?

If so, it would be possible to build a small prison out of ice in the middle of the ocean during the winter, and when spring comes around...

[Fullmoon]

a) construction are indestructible.
b) If you build it without support, it just cavein.
c) To build support, you will need to dig a foundation pit 2X size of ocean depth. During ONE season. Or else. See aquifers in wiki.
d) Prison is useless. Planting on sea floor, though...

e) It is dwarvenly enough. DO IT.

[Max White]

Better yet, wait untll the sea freezes, then turn weather off, this will make the sea permanently frozen, untill you finish construction.

Then wait until summer, and once again turn of temperature, so you have a prisen in the middle of the ocean.

Better yet, so it with an entire fort!
Better yet, do it with a modded in flying race!
BETTER YET! I WILL REGARDLESS!

[Neoskel]

Saltwater doesn't freeze in DF. So no.

But it's a different matter if you build on a big freshwater lake. I remember reading about someone having a freshwater ocean too, which is cool. Water which does freeze does so all the way down to the bottom (AFAIK), so you could conceivably carve out a multistory prison while you're at it.

[Dorf3000]

I think the OP was implying that the 'prison' would melt in spring, and drown the prisoners..

[Lytha]

The arctic oceans that I've seen were simply deserts of sand (or whatever), no ice or water anywhere to be seen. I only had the beach tiles of arctic oceans yet, though.

And since it's a freezing environment, the water that you pump out of your aquifer will be frozen all the year around.



Edit: my mistake. I just checked out the deeper, non-beach parts of an arctic ocean, and there the ice was.

Hmm... this spells awesome. Glacier+arctic deep sea...

[Warlord255]

The arctic oceans that I've seen were simply deserts of sand (or whatever), no ice or water anywhere to be seen. I only had the beach tiles of arctic oceans yet, though.

And since it's a freezing environment, the water that you pump out of your aquifer will be frozen all the year around.



Edit: my mistake. I just checked out the deeper, non-beach parts of an arctic ocean, and there the ice was.

Hmm... this spells awesome. Glacier+arctic deep sea...

Interesting find; in my experience (40d) it seemed that salt water WOULD freeze,but not inside the border of the ocean biome. Once you get it past the beach shore, it'll freeze. Underwater ice deposits sounds neat, though...

[Lytha]

Yes, this has changed in DF2010. One more observation: if your arctic ocean is very deep (mine is about 30 z-levels deep), then the deepest parts of it might not be frozen. It's probably unlikely that any fishes will spawn there though.

But I got some walrusses crawl around near the entrance of my ice cave now, which is quite on the middle of a part of the arctic sea itself. I hope they're not very aggressive.

[Marconius]

I personally think just building a fortress on top of a frozen ocean sounds awesome, without the melting and all that. It could be like the Fortress of Solitude, only with Dwarves!

Also, I think I have a freshwater ocean in one of my worlds, haven't tried embarking there yet though.

[smigenboger]

It would also be interesting to allow your only entrance to be over frozen water, so you're only accessible when its cold

[Caesar]

Why do I somehow picture Alcatraz upon reading through this thread?