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[BigD145]

Using the k button is still something you don't have to do if you just use a tileset. Just like you don't have to pick up medkits in a FPS if you use godmode.

That is not an equal comparison. It would be like not having a manual in an FPS to tell you want the medkit looked like.

Besides which I find I use the information keys a lot more on the graphical tilesets.

Trees and shrubs use the same graphics in DigDeeper. You either k everything or just cut trees in an a large area OR go up one z-level to see the tree tops. Oh sh!t, I just cheated!!! No dwarf could possibly look at anything from up in the air.

[twwolfe]

Using the k button is still something you don't have to do if you just use a tileset. Just like you don't have to pick up medkits in a FPS if you use godmode.

That is not an equal comparison. It would be like not having a manual in an FPS to tell you want the medkit looked like.

Besides which I find I use the information keys a lot more on the graphical tilesets.

Trees and shrubs use the same graphics in DigDeeper. You either k everything or just cut trees in an a large area OR go up one z-level to see the tree tops. Oh sh!t, I just cheated!!! No dwarf could possibly look at anything from up in the air.

erm, no they don't. tree's and shrubs both use different representations.

[BigD145]

Using the k button is still something you don't have to do if you just use a tileset. Just like you don't have to pick up medkits in a FPS if you use godmode.

That is not an equal comparison. It would be like not having a manual in an FPS to tell you want the medkit looked like.

Besides which I find I use the information keys a lot more on the graphical tilesets.

Trees and shrubs use the same graphics in DigDeeper. You either k everything or just cut trees in an a large area OR go up one z-level to see the tree tops. Oh sh!t, I just cheated!!! No dwarf could possibly look at anything from up in the air.

erm, no they don't. tree's and shrubs both use different representations.

Shrubs have a tree type model in DigDeeper/DigDwarfier. Pardon. I'm sure it's the Mayday set that does it.

Tilesets change nothing. Color changes change nothing. It's about personal preference in how something looks.

I have a white microwave. You have a silver one. They are both the same make/model/wattage/etc. Who's cheating?

These two paragraphs not related due to this thing called context.

We were talking about colours on models in FPSs, you change the colour to bright green because it's easy to spot, not for personal preference so yes it makes a difference.

FPS's don't pause when you hit space bar or k. The FPS bit doesn't work. Your primary complaint still seems to be a color/icon issue, which is null when paused.

[Eagle0600]

I would say that the word cheating implies something bad. I would therefore say that it is impossible to cheat without a 'victim'. Cheating is giving yourself an unfair advantage, but you need someone to have an advantage over. I would say that it is impossible to cheat unless in the context of a competition, which is not the ordinary play of DF. 'Cheating' in most circumstances in DF is a victimless crime: It is therefore non-existent (or not important).

[Jyppa]

Stop asking the question "what is cheating", ask "what is Fun". You can't cheat in a sandbox game unless you're undertaking some sort of challenge with set rules.

[Sizik]

Actually, in this case, I revise what I said earlier. I don't know if I consider it a full out cheat, but it is an exploit at the very least.

See the Init file is where things get really sort of blurry for me. If Toady had set dwarves to Speed:0 originally then we wouldn't be having this discussion because it was "how the game was made"

Also tilesets? Come on...
That's like saying modding the Scout's Bat in tf2 to green is cheating.

Does it look different? Yes
Did it change anything? Not really.

[SPEED:x] is in the dwarf raws, not the init file.

[Shades]

FPS's don't pause when you hit space bar or k. The FPS bit doesn't work. Your primary complaint still seems to be a color/icon issue, which is null when paused.

Your comment was that it didn't make a different in FPSs so how is that relevant? I even clarified the point you quoted to make sure it was clear I was only talking about the model and colours in FPS games, I'll further clarify multiplayer FPS games as cheating in singleplayer is a pointless concept.