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Buffing up Megabeasts.
« on: March 18, 2010, 11:02:40 pm »
So, what should I change to the RAWs to make Megabeasts and Semi-Megabeasts stronger?
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Re: Buffing up Megabeasts.
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 11:40:13 pm »
I like to give them [NOFEAR] so they never retreat [NOSTUN] so they don't stop fighting [NOEXERT] so they never get tired and then I also double their size, damblock and damage outputs.

For starters. ;D

That will make them give you quite a bit more fight in fortress mode. I never play adventure so I don't know how hard they would be in there.
But they're still very beatable.

For something harder still...
Spoiler: The Mid-Level Dragon I Use (click to show/hide)


If the problem you are having is with them all getting killed during worldgen, try giving them 5000 damblock and/or size then, after worldgen, making it normal again. This will make them as close to invulnerable as possible during worldgen, but then, because you change it back after, normal ingame.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 11:44:22 pm by Krelos »
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or maybe throw them into the large hadron collider to atom-smash them instead.
Not to mention to throw all available animals into tiny pits.

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Re: Buffing up Megabeasts.
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2010, 05:58:57 am »
[NOPAIN] is most important for them to survive long enough to get some toughness (and CANLEARN if they don't already have it).  A dragon may be huge but skill wise it starts as a peasant.  Its not uncommon for someone to break its leg and then it passes out and is easily killed.  [NOSTUN] and [NOEXERT] is good also, these prevent it from being wrestled to death as easily.  Again, until it builds up some skills and stats a megabeast has a huge disadvantage. 

Also sooner or later it will take a critical hit from something and die or get permanently injured.  I removed lungs, heart, guts, the [NERVOUS] tags from everything and gave it [NOBREATHE] to prevent it from dropping dead.  Also, I gave its brain [SIGHT] so it couldn't be blinded but giving the dragon [EXTRAVISION] may be better.  Basically, all that stuff means that the megabeast wont be killed by a random critical hit from a bolt, or from being knocked out in its first fight, or from being wrestled to death by something with a few wrestling levels and some strength.  Plus a damblock or two helps absorb multiple weak attacks and more (smaller number) speed helps cancel out your champions' huge shield block rate.
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Re: Buffing up Megabeasts.
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2010, 07:50:30 am »
You can also add CAN_LEARN to give them the benefit of their 200 years of experience.
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Re: Buffing up Megabeasts.
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2010, 12:01:00 pm »
This is my dragon:

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However,
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Re: Buffing up Megabeasts.
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2010, 01:20:56 pm »
MY Dragon:
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Needless to say, he's pretty tough. I haven't encountered on in fortress mode though, so I don't know how long he'll last against a bunch of champions.
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Re: Buffing up Megabeasts.
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 01:30:52 pm »
If you want to make them REALLY tough, remove their organs. For example, remove the brain saying the skull is too tough to pierce.

Guts & ORgans are fine, but take out spine & brain should help reduce the lucky hits that insta-disable.
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Re: Buffing up Megabeasts.
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2010, 04:36:54 pm »
I dislike removing parts that they would need to live in reality, but that's just a personal preference of mine.
I'm greatly looking forward to the new version, so I can give my dragons scales of steel or mithril and blood made of some 15k degree fluid or something insane like that.
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In order to improve the universe's frame rate, we must all throw rocks into volcanoes and then do absolutely nothing, worldwide, for a week, to take pressure off pathfinding.
or maybe throw them into the large hadron collider to atom-smash them instead.
Not to mention to throw all available animals into tiny pits.