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Zander J

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Ambush! Drive them out!
« on: February 23, 2009, 10:05:24 am »

i have a few things to clarify about a recent attack on my mini-fortress (8 adult dwarves). spring had arrived and elven merchants had just arrived, when CURSE THEM an ambush party appeared. The animals were quickly slaughtered and the elves were sent running, right into CURSE THEM another ambush. However, this time the message was different: "An ambush! Drive them out!" Humans were in this ambush. In a different fortress I've gotten the message "A Human as sprung from ambush!" So my first question is:

What is the significance of the different messages?

Next. The goblins got captured in my cages and slaughtered in my weapon trap gauntlet, but the Human passed over all the traps with ease. I trapped him in my weapon trap tower and called out my furnace operator who is pretty decent with a crossbow. There ARE fortifications carved, but when my marksdwarf, who had a weapon and ammo, was assigned to the area, she refused to shoot. I saved and tried opening the door, only to have her scream "Stop! Hammertime!" and rush at the Human like a deranged lunatic. She was gravely injured and the Human wrecked havoc. Savescummed.

I tried redrafting this dwarf, but now she won't even pick up her crossbow. It's not in a stockpile because since it's near the human, no dwarf will pick it up.

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Second question. Can anyone explain why an armed marksdwarf would not shoot at an enemy? And can all Humans avoid traps?
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Re: Ambush! Drive them out!
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 10:55:11 am »

Did you have a human Diplomat that died? I had one that come without arms and kinda died and now human knights run around harresing my cats...

They will ignore the traps that that diplomat saw.

Your crossbow dwarfs is propatly out of bolts or there is a tree in the way.
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Re: Ambush! Drive them out!
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 10:55:51 am »

Ok about that ambush... Drive them out comes because they were there when you embarked/reclaimed, got this once when a berserked dwarf attacked my reclaimation site.

it was probably a human thief which was kidnapped by goblins as a kid and now helps them. and most thiefs got trapavoid. sure the crossbow is not an artifact? only champions/heroes can use artifact weapons.

are you sure she had free sight of her target? otherwise this happened for me to, my dwarf didnt want to pick up ammo because she was being ready to melee the enemy. i then put her from that she could chase enemies to stay at station. then she ran for ammo and began wreaking havoc again on the orcs.

also my axedwarf spared a horse after cutting out its eyes and leg, then he refused to kill the horse. was this because he was no threat or what?
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Re: Ambush! Drive them out!
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 01:24:22 pm »

Was your marksdwarf originally trained as a wrestler?  That seems to cause problems with weapon usage in the current version.
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Re: Ambush! Drive them out!
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2009, 11:36:10 am »

i had her make a new crossbow and bolts (she was not out of ammo and is was not an artifact, there were no trees, etc) and opened the door. she managed to kill the human. the human (actually there were two but the other fled) were both spearmen and not thieves. also, this happened a few years into the fortress, not at the beginning, so i'm not sure about the whole reclaim site idea.

what confuses me the most is the traps. i have had human traders but none died, nor did the diplomat. i know that if a diplomat sees the traps, they won't be effective against invaders, but unless i've been trading with evil humans, the traps should still work.

tl;dr perhaps once the diplomat sees the traps they are safe for all humans?
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Re: Ambush! Drive them out!
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 06:38:19 pm »

Okay, so a little off topic, but the closest thread I could find to my experience.

SNATCHERS, PROTECT THE CHILDREN.  Zoom to a cage trap with a goblin in it.  How wonderful.
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 07:54:36 pm »

Okay, so a little off topic, but the closest thread I could find to my experience.

SNATCHERS, PROTECT THE CHILDREN.  Zoom to a cage trap with a goblin in it.  How wonderful.

Ambushers won't skip traps. Weapon and stone traps won't reveal them (though if you happen to see, the goblin bits laying all ove the countryside might be a slight tipoff). Cage traps will, however, reveal whoever steps in them, making them a good early-warning system for ambushers.
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