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[Davion]

I read the books a couple of times all the way through.

Fuck The Silmarillion, though.

[Tormy]

Fuck The Silmarillion, though.

I heard that it's hella boring, is that true?

[Mephansteras]

The Silmarillion isn't a story the way the Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit are. It's more like a History of the world. So while a lot of the stuff that happens in it is pretty interesting, it isn't always written in an engaging way. So it's more like reading a history text book then a historical novel.

So, yeah, it can be really boring.

[Paulus Fahlstrom]

I'll certainly second that.

I've read the Hobbit, the trilogy and the Silmarillion and enjoyed them all, though the three are very different from each other. The Silmarillion reads very much like a History book and unless you've got an amazing capacity to remember names, things will start to blur. Cool stuff to know though is that there ARE a few characters from the Silmarillion that are still alive in the others. (Elves of course)

But yeah, it's mostly just the background history for the trilogy, not a story in and of itself.

As far as Moria>Mordor, keep in mind that until Sauron has the ring he's pretty much stuck as an incoporeal entity.

If you want to get technical, he's technically a Maiar (can't remember spelling) just like a Balrog is, though he's much more advanced in many ways. Balrogs were made by Sauron's boss (in the Silmarillion) to serve as a military force in the battles that were fought in the old world.

So, technically Sauron is greater than a Balrog, but in the trilogy he is massively weakened by the lack of the ring. (Think of the ring like a Lich's phlactry)

I enjoyed the movies. Thought they were great cinematography (if a bit long). But, honestly, there was no way they could include everything in the books. My biggest pet peeve? In the cave near Osgiliath when Faramir has Sam and Frodo and Gollum and he says 'The ring shall go to Gondor'. And then takes them to Osgiliath where they engage in a fight and Frodo, et. al. run... Totally never happened.

In the books Faramir was deliberately intended to reflect the honor of the Steward line, while Boromir gave into the temptation of the ring. The movies cheapened his character drastically with that line.

(Can you tell I like LOTR?)

[Org]

Actually, I found the part when Frodo was deceived by Gollum to get rid of Sam worse. Then Sam got to the bottom and saw the cake bread and was then somehow convinced to go back. Never happened.

[Granite26]

In the books Faramir was deliberately intended to reflect the honor of the Steward line, while Boromir gave into the temptation of the ring. The movies cheapened his character drastically with that line.

I dunno.  I think that there's some value to fighting your way free.  It's like the difference between quitting smoking and never having a cigarette.

[Tormy]

I couldn't resist to post this. 

[JoshuaFH]

Ha, wow, I don't know alot about the Lord of the Ring-verse, did they even have giant frickin' birds?

[Aqizzar]

Did you not at least see the end of Return of the King?  That's how Sam and Frodo were saved from burny death when Mt Doom blew up.

When I saw a youtube link, I was expecting this.  Thank you for not doing that.

[Tormy]

Ha, wow, I don't know alot about the Lord of the Ring-verse, did they even have giant frickin' birds?

Yeah, these are the Great Eagles aka The harbingers of Manwë.

[Org]

Anyone who wants to can sign up for my Lord of the RIngs Mafia.

And the Giant Eagles are cool.

[Tormy]

LotR Mafia? What the hell?! 

[Org]

yes. go to forum games.

[wallie79r]

I've read everything written by Tolkien I can get my hands on, including all the Lost Tales and several letters. I must say that the Silmarillion is one of the best books I have ever read, though it wouldn't hurt if it was condensed. The Battle of Sudden Flames alone contains a coolness factor rivaling that of LOTR itself. My biggest problems with the movies is a scene during the Siege of Gondor where the Witchking overpowers Gandalf. Gandalf is a Maiar, the next best thing to a god, and this cruddy undead human is somehow more powerful than him?