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Granite26

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Vermin Hater
« on: January 30, 2009, 04:46:23 pm »

Currently, Vermin Hater works by a given dwarf picking ONE vermin with the vermin-hatable tag and hating it with the undying passion of a thousand suns.

I had a few thoughts about how this could be more robust:

  A:  Vermin hater?  Why limit to just vermin?  Zombies are icky too, even if they are on your side.
  B:  Why just one?  Why can't a particularly fru-fru dwarf hate snakes AND spiders?
  C:  Snakes and Spiders :  Speaking of which, most people I know hate 'Spiders', not 'Void Spiders' or 'Cave Spiders'.  Perhaps a Vermin-Hatable:CLASS tag?
  D:  Culture:  Some peoples think roaches are icky, some think they are tasty.  Perhaps put a tag into cultures to have them hate things?  (All Elves hate Wood-Beatles, OR Humans pick one thing at worldgen that all humans hate.)  This works for races, civs, even castes (ooh, a spider, kill it!!! Yucky girly butterflies everywhere, blehhh)
  E:  Different emotions:  Sometimes disgust, sometimes hate, sometimes fear.  Could  VerminHaterTag:Emotion="disgust";"disgusted" work?

B Is a big one.  Rather than a one to one hatred, the hatred value is equal to a hatesthings (personality) trait and divided by share across the things it hates.  (I hate birds cause I'm a dwarf, butterflies cause I'm a boy, roaches because their just icky, and green slimes because I'm a member of crossedwarts.)

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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 06:11:26 pm »

Why only HATEABLE tags? Why not LIKEABLE tags too?  I would love to see that.  It seems silly that anyone would like demons.

Granite, please tell me you're joking about the butterfly thing.  That's like a tiny child thing.  Girly butterflies . . . Hah!
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 06:13:45 pm »

It seems silly that anyone would like demons.

"Tosid Idenarzes likes tentacle demons for their corrupt intentions."
There! Now we've covered all of the seven deadly sins.
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 06:15:37 pm »

I like the idea of a [liKEABLE] tag for vermin. There's got to be some reason they show up in pet stores in the real world, after all.
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 06:21:18 pm »

I like the idea of a [liKEABLE] tag for vermin. There's got to be some reason they show up in pet stores in the real world, after all.

As it stands, anything that isn't hateable is likeable.

And I was kidding about the butterflies.  I just wanted to counterbalance the castes...

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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 06:30:48 pm »

Eh, I had a dwarf that liked roaches for their ability to disgust. And he had a pet roach too. Which didn't please the sheriff and his wife, who both hated roaches. Naturally, I gave them adjoining rooms  ;D
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 06:31:15 pm »

I like the idea of a [liKEABLE] tag for vermin. There's got to be some reason they show up in pet stores in the real world, after all.

As it stands, anything that isn't hateable is likeable.

And I was kidding about the butterflies.  I just wanted to counterbalance the castes...
Whew.  Anyway, my reasoning behind the LIKEABLE tag is to put an end to ridiculous preferences.  For example, dwarves liking things that only want to destroy all life.
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 06:52:05 pm »

I like the idea of a [liKEABLE] tag for vermin. There's got to be some reason they show up in pet stores in the real world, after all.

As it stands, anything that isn't hateable is likeable.

And I was kidding about the butterflies.  I just wanted to counterbalance the castes...
Whew.  Anyway, my reasoning behind the LIKEABLE tag is to put an end to ridiculous preferences.  For example, dwarves liking things that only want to destroy all life.

Maybe a [liKEABLE] tag which limits its liking to only a specific race.
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 07:00:25 pm »

I've heard that not only are giant hissing cockroaches supposedly delicious, but apparently you can actually feed them up, like pigs with acorns, to make them taste better/change the taste of them.

To go a further step: I understand that you can  inject them with teriyaki sauce before you cook them.
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 07:11:42 pm »

Whew.  Anyway, my reasoning behind the LIKEABLE tag is to put an end to ridiculous preferences.  For example, dwarves liking things that only want to destroy all life.

Sounds like a job for spheres!  If civ entities and all creatures are given some sphere associations, that would serve as a good starting point for individual likes/dislikes. 
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 08:35:26 pm »

Noooooo!

Don't take away my demon worshiping, psycho engraver, who carves pictures of tentacle demons over every exposed surface of my fortress.

I love that guy. I just think my other dwarves should react to his work with a bit less appreciation, and a bit more straitjacket.
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Re: Vermin Hater
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 08:38:31 pm »

Noooooo!

Don't take away my demon worshiping, psycho engraver, who carves pictures of tentacle demons over every exposed surface of my fortress.

I love that guy. I just think my other dwarves should react to his work with a bit less appreciation, and a bit more straitjacket.
Good point.  Perhaps the lack of either the HATEABLE tag or LIKEABLE tag should simply severely reduce the likelihood of such dwarves?
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"Oh look there is a dragon my clothes might burn let me take them off and only wear steel plate."
And this is how tinned food was invented.
Alternately: The Brick Testament. It's a really fun look at what the bible would look like if interpreted literally. With Legos.
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