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[Heron TSG]

Jumping/leaping is a great idea, and I think huge humanoids stepping over defenses *would* be a nice idea actually

hey, incentive to build a 10 z-level megawall!

[Brian7772]

First we need to figure out how set up the sizes for tiles. Right now they seems to fit seven dragons, eight hydras, and one fat lazy dwarf with ease.

Wait, what? I thought that unlimited number of creatures can be on the same tile. Something has been changed? 

No, but if you have more than that siging you at one time your not gunna just be missing that 1 dead dwarf.

[Sowelu]

Any time you add a new movement capability, you make pathfinding harder.  And in general, unless you optimize and filter REALLY well, the pathfinding for "everyone walks everywhere, except every once in a hundred years someone might jump" is just as slow as "everyone walks, jumps, skips whenever they feel like it".  IOW you're, like, doubling the pathfinding cost any time you add a feature that is almost never used.

It's sorta reasonable to say "only consider climbing or leaping if there is no way to get there by walking", but that's really very very limited.

Pathfinding in general is surprisingly clueless about the existance of things like walls.  Pathfinding doesn't know walls exist, they just know that the fastest way from point A to point B is around this loopy way.  Making climbing or leaping work intelligently (climbing over walls, leaping over moats) would take a really big investment in the pathfinding smarts.

Heck, X-Com Apocalypse took out climbing before release because their pathfinding just didn't cope with it.  They used to have it, then took it out.

All of this just makes me want leaping and climbing more!...

[Fieari]

Before leaping, lets get the connectivity maps for walking/flying/swimming/magmaswimming working.  Potentially, each additional movement type would exponentially increase the data needed for the connectivity mapping, unless some awesome algorithm was thought up.  So that algorithm is what we need.

Anyone?