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[daemoria]

I am attempting to get rid around one of the most common problems without 'cheating' too much; wood shortage.

While I don't have a wood shortage on my current map with a nice dense forest outside, I want an alternative. I came up with an alternative; metal plating.

Spoiler: wood matgloss (click to show/hide)

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[MATGLOSS_WOOD:IRON_WD]
[NAME:iron plating]
[ADJ:iron plate]
[PREFSTRING:high quality construction]

[MATGLOSS_WOOD:STEEL_WD]
[NAME:steel plating]
[ADJ:steel plate]
[PREFSTRING:high quality construction]

[MATGLOSS_WOOD:COPPER_WD]
[NAME:copper plating]
[ADJ:copper plate]
[PREFSTRING:cool temperature]


Spoiler: reaction (click to show/hide)

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[REACTION:COPPER_WOOD]
[NAME:construct copper plating]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:COPPER]
[PRODUCT:100:5:WOOD:NO_SUBTYPE:WOOD:COPPER_WD]
[FUEL]

[REACTION:IRON_WOOD]
[NAME:construct iron plating]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:IRON]
[PRODUCT:100:5:WOOD:NO_SUBTYPE:WOOD:IRON_WD]
[FUEL]

[REACTION:STEEL_WOOD]
[NAME:construct steel plating]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:STEEL]
[PRODUCT:100:5:WOOD:NO_SUBTYPE:WOOD:STEEL_WD]
[FUEL]

My problem is that there is no reaction available in my smelter for the copper plating (I currently have in excess of 80 copper bars) and I assume the same will be true when I get some iron and steel production going. So what am I doing wrong?

I'm not putting biome or density tags on the wood entries, because I believe that will cause some weird things to happen (Iron plated trees anyone?), so I highly doubt that this is the cause of the problem.

Also, what is the correct way to assign a color/weight/temperature/value to these new 'wood' definitions. Will they carry the values of their component metals?

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Code updated, it should work now. Hope you find some use in it.

[Deon]

Huh, it's a VERY bad thing to use the same name for different materials. Did you get any errors in errorlog file?

[daemoria]

As far as I know, no errors came up. Nothing is too out of whack either with my game.

I suppose throwing a *_WD on the end of the metal woods could help readability. I didn't think having the same names on the end of MATGLOSS_WOOD: and MATGLOSS_METAL: caused any problems, considering that they are completely different strings.

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EDIT
Adding _WD so that the wood materials and reactions read

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COPPER_WD
IRON_WD
STEEL_WD does nothing.
Perhaps generating a new world is in order, but I could've sworn that the only things that need a regen is making completely new creatures and entity definition chages.

[Jay]

Completely new ANYTHING or completely removed anything.
Just as many people have stated easily a thousand times.

[daemoria]

Yea, sorry for not divining the sometimes obscure and often contradictory information in this forum perfectly the first time.
As I had understood it, the various reactions mentioned in threads stated that some people left blank spaces in their txt files, so that they could add and remove them as needed. None specified you needed to regen the world, in fact the inconvenience of the matter of re-genning would say that you didn't need to do so for such a small change.

In any case, people can use these sets of reactions to get wood in a non cheaty way. After regenning the region files that is.

Also my questions still stand. Is there any way to assign the value to a type of wood? Ditto for color and temperature damage points and so forth.

[Rockphed]

Also my questions still stand. Is there any way to assign the value to a type of wood? Ditto for color and temperature damage points and so forth.

I am not sure, but I beleive that such is not implemented, but will be in the next release.

[Jay]

that DENSITY tag you speak of sets its weight.  I'm pretty sure you need it.
Setting a tile and a biome, as well as [WET]/[DRY] is what makes it into a tree.

And as I said, regeneration is only needed for entirely new/removed ENTRIES.
Not TAGS or TOKENS.Well, as I understand, a lot of the entity tags requires new worlds too.
But that's besides the point. (as we're not talking about entities in this case)
Err, wait, I didn't say entries.
Crap.
But uh, when I said completely...

...Okay, let me clarify a little more on that.
I said completely added anything or completely removed anything.
The raw entries are looked at as a set.
Everything from [ENTRY:UNIQUENAME] down to but not including the next [ENTRY:UNIQUENAME] is one "item".
When I said that, I was talking of those, not of tokens, which I would just say "added or removed" not "completely added or completely removed"

Entry = n., ->One "item" as defined above.
Token = n.; Tag; ->A single bracketed item in an entry.

Seriously though, and this isn't anything against you, just to all members really: There's a search button for a reason.

[i2amroy]

Remember though, that changing a name will count as removing an entire object and adding an entire new one, for example:
[OBJECT:BOB] ---> [OBJECT:BILLY]
will count as completely removing object bob and adding a completely new object named billy, even if they are still the exact same object.

[Thuellai]

I really like this idea, and would like to, with your permission, create a Modbase version that would automatically find all metals in the mineral matgloss and then create these files, in the same way as the Dr. More-Oh mod takes all existant animals and makes ___-man versions of them.  Which is to say I'll be stealing your idea and his coding and then sing your praises for hours on end.

[daemoria]

Go ahead, I support data theft! 
I finally got 'Construct Iron Plating' to show up in my smelter, so all is good. You might want to throw some customization in the output levels, inobtanium for instance should either give a low amount (serves you right for making a über-metal into a silly type of wood) or a ridiculously high output.

Likewise for admantium in stock DF, since the metal is in the form of a wafer, perhaps just 1 plate? Eh, what ever you have time for.

[Thuellai]

Yeah, I'm working on this and also a version of Exponent's mineral mod that would create quality-based versions of every metal.  The main problem I see right now is making the woodgloss additions reference mineralgloss, and making reactions reference those woodgloss additions.  There's also the alternative - make it a reaction that takes any metal and creates "metal plating", allowing for greater compatibility at the cost of some variety (and value differentation).

Now, with any luck Exponent's mineral mod will be slightly easier, but the reactions would still have to be hand-done or reference mineralgloss...  Man, I'm gonna have to shake the Modbase guy down for all his coding and see if that's even possible.

[Pickerel]

Copper wood: What police use, standard issue.
Iron wood: Requires some heat, some steam, and an ironing board.
Steel Wood: Illegal logging.

[daemoria]

curse the puns, the bane of the universe. Nah, not really..those were actually pretty funny.

My reason for preforming necromancy on my own thread is because I finaly have a mature fort and managed to test out my own creation. I didn't fully understand how the whole 'name'/'adjective' worked before. Anyway, for those (if any) interested in making a modbase conversion for this, the correct naming code will be as follows;

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[MATGLOSS_WOOD:***_WD]
[NAME:*** plated]
[ADJ:*** plate]with the wild cards where the name of the metal is. I don't know the formatting for modbase entries, so you'll replace the asterix with what is actually used as a wildcard.