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G-Flex

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[40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« on: September 30, 2008, 10:29:26 am »

I don't have time to upload the save right now, but here's the gist of it:

Part of my map is a glacier; obviously, it's all frozen. It has two z-levels of ice.

I tried collapsing the ice to produce water. This is how:
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Level 0 (glacier surface):
=========
=       =
= ===== =
= ===== =
^ ===== ^
= ===== =
= ===== =
=       =
=========
= is ice floor (the glacial surface). Note the chunk in the middle has a perimeter dug out around it, so it can be collapsed. ^ are upward stairs (see next layer).

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Level +1 (one above glacier surface):

 +++++++
 +     +
 +     +
v+     +v
 +     +
 +     +
 +++++++

+ is floors, built as scaffolding above the perimeter hole to block sunlight (although I was stupid and built most of it AFTER the perimeter was dug out). v is downward stairs, supporting this floor.

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Levels -1 and -2 (ice layers):
*********
*       *
* ***** *
* ***** *
* ***** *
* ***** *
* ***** *
*       *
*********
* is ice walls. Again, perimeter dug out. Obviously, one tile was left until ready to collapse it entirely.

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Level -3 (underneath ice layers):
ooooooooo
o+++++++o
o+++++++o
o+++++++o
o+++++++o
o+++++++o
o+++++++o
o+++++++o
ooooooooo
o are walls of various sorts and + is the natural floor here. This is the area for the ice to collapse into.


Now, those diagrams aren't COMPLETELY exact; I especially left off some access stairway or two, for instance. You'll see more when I upload the save.

Anyway, so I collapse this ice, and what did I get? One of the layers collapsed normally, I THINK, to some degree (it was slightly messy), which hilariously destroyed the floor of Level -3, resulting in microcline-colored "open space" where the floor was, with microcline walls being below on Level -4. Please note that this means the ice did not fall all the way down! I'm pretty sure some of it did, but damn near a whole layer stayed on -2.

But here's the hilarious bit: Level -1 had almost NO ICE WALLS AT ALL. Maybe one or two squares connected to the ones below?

So where did it go?
Easy.


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Level +1 (one above glacier surface):

 +++++++
 +=====+
 +=====+
v+=====+v
 +=====+
 +=====+
 +++++++

Level 0 (glacier surface):
=========
=       =
= ***** =
= ***** =
^ ***** ^
= ***** =
= ***** =
=       =
=========


That's right. An entire layer of ice managed to jump UP and latch onto the scaffolding above. This diagram may also be slightly inaccurate; I think a few bits of ice were off to the sides of the main block too, in the perimeter area. Maybe.

My only possible explanation is that the solid ice didn't really move much or at all; rather, it turned into mist, which then resolidified, and mist liking to travel upwards, a lot of ice wound up getting higher than it was before.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 01:11:23 pm »

Dwarven gravity at it's finest.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 01:47:35 pm »

I have a save somewhere from the time while I was preparing to initiate the collapse.

I'm not home right now, but I will be tomorrow night, at which point I'll try to finish constructing the device in that save, make sure the results replicate, and upload a convenient save where you can just dig out the one remaining support tile and collapse the structure.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 05:52:36 pm »

ice does indeed bounce and refrezee, though i'm not sure as to the details..
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 07:33:22 pm »

"Apples don't fall up! D:"
"They're more like giant cherries..."
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2008, 08:04:13 pm »

"Apples don't fall up! D:"
"They're more like giant cherries..."

Oh yeah, I need to play that again! I never did finish it.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2008, 08:16:40 pm »

Dwarven gravity at it's finest.
Off topic, but would you mind if I put that in my sig?
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 06:01:27 am »

Dwarven gravity at it's finest.
Off topic, but would you mind if I put that in my sig?

I don't think it's dwarven enough.

Try:

Issac Newton cancels discover gravity: Interrupted by dwarven gravity at its finest.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2008, 09:11:21 am »

No, just "Dwarven gravity at it's finest; LINK." The announcement thingy is unnecesary, and not really funny.

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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2008, 03:40:20 pm »

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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 08:02:44 pm »

Oh well, I guess I will use it.
If you don't want me to, please tell me and I will remove it.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2008, 04:35:20 am »

I don't mind it. Feel free to use it.

I don't charge for my legendary comedian jokes. Simply because I'm already legendary and I have no use for money.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2008, 05:28:09 am »

I have a save somewhere from the time while I was preparing to initiate the collapse.

I'm not home right now, but I will be tomorrow night, at which point I'll try to finish constructing the device in that save, make sure the results replicate, and upload a convenient save where you can just dig out the one remaining support tile and collapse the structure.

If you've still got a save after these many years, I can take a look at it.  I'll need the region folder in some kind of zip/rar/7z, and any new objects that were added to the raw folder.  If it's less than 20 megs, you can send it to toadyone@bay12games.com.  You can also try The Dwarf Fortress File Depot which has a special section for bugged saves.
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Re: [40d] I made a chunk of ice fall UP.
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2008, 10:57:52 am »

Haha, whoops, I forgot to upload this. Thanks for reminding me.

I still have the save lying around, and I don't *think* I modded anything, but I'll try to be on the safe side.

I have to get going right now, but I should be able to get it up within a couple days.
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