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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2008, 02:27:43 pm »

They have to be big enough to hold a bed.  On the other hand, they aren't big enough to hold two standing goblins.

I'd just pick what ever size seems most convenient to get the proportions right.
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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2008, 03:07:59 pm »

The best estimate was to use an object that DOES have a limit on how much fits in a tile:  water.

Based on how much water people drink and the amount of water that (injured) dwarves drink you get about 39 to 40 cubic feet of water per tile.

Yes, to continue what you said; remember that there are missing features; eventually creatures may have more complex tile-occupancy rules, and items will eventually fill tiles too.

Using water as a constant, as we know the amount of water consumed by a dwarf is roughly equal to that of a human, we can calculate the volume of a tile- that is, 39-40 cu. ft. of water. This is enough water to last 7 people a month, if it's only used for drinking. Now, we know that humans can easily walk in dwarf fortresses, so the rooms are about 6 feet high; this is taller than strictly necessary for dwarves, but it's still more comfortable than otherwise. Since the floor space of the tile needs to be square, we get 2.5 feet.

Of course, this size is flexible; tiles can and do change size as needs require.

Except that a bed fits in a tile, now asuming a dwarf if about 4 feet high the bed would have to be around 4.5 or 5 feet in length.  OF course according to that formula if a dwarf were shorter lets say 3 feet high the ceilings would only need to be four feet high and the beds only 3.5 feet long.  Humans could still move in there just not comfortabley.  But then would they really drink as much water as a human?  its doubtfull.  Quite frankly I think saying a dwarf drinks as much, or rather as little as a human is false.

@LeoLeonardo that first picture is totally how I imagined them, except dwarf animals have about 100 or so horse power as opposed to regular horses.

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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2008, 04:18:19 pm »

My argument is that beds, and a large number of other items, overlap the 2.5 foot area into adjacent tiles, but it is too negligible to map. Also, it is just the volume of meat that depends on how much water a creature should need; though dwarves are shorter than humans, they are slightly denser and wider, and this roughly balances out.
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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2008, 04:36:18 pm »

I usually think of them as 7'×7'×7' or 8'×8'×8' cubes. That's feet, for you metric people.
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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2008, 06:15:02 pm »

So THAT's what that ' symbol is. Here I thought it was some kind of fancy replacement for the letter m.

Silly me.

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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2008, 07:03:44 pm »

So THAT's what that ' symbol is.

I'm 5'10" (five foot, 10 inches).  Something fancy someone came up with once that's not terribly clear sometimes.
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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2008, 07:06:52 pm »

My argument is that beds, and a large number of other items, overlap the 2.5 foot area into adjacent tiles, but it is too negligible to map. Also, it is just the volume of meat that depends on how much water a creature should need; though dwarves are shorter than humans, they are slightly denser and wider, and this roughly balances out.
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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2008, 08:43:35 pm »

I've always thought of them as five-foot cubes. Roguelikes were originally based heavily on Dungeons and Dragons, and combat in DnD is mapped out on 5x5 squares.
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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2008, 08:49:45 pm »

I think of the cubes as being four or five feet long and wide, and maybe six or seven feet high.  That would comfortably accommodate one dwarf while leaving room for another to squeeze by, and the ceilings are tall enough to be luxurious to dwarves and comfortable to taller creatures like elves and humans.

I don't think Megabeasts should be used as a guide, nor quantum storage methods, since they're both not very realistic right now.
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Re: How Much a Grid Square Is?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2008, 12:47:45 am »

like humans can be played too the beds for dwarfes are not too realistic neither i think i am more ok with the 7 or 8 incs (help for metric people like me) so it makes ~2,5m a good bed :)
for the inch ... is it the same as one zoll?
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