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Skeeblix

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Bastardly hard
« on: August 26, 2007, 01:22:00 am »

Am I just horrible at adventure mode, or is it really that hard to keep an adventurer alive? It seems like I get into my first quest and that's that. It usually ends up with every monster in the place somehow knowing exactly where I am and running up and gangbanging me into a bleeding, lifeless mess.

So far I haven't had one guy survive a single quest. So is it really this hard, or  am I just a total loser full of suck and fail?

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2007, 01:32:00 am »

It's definately very hard, but we won't rule out the possibility that you're a total loser full of suck and fail.
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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 02:29:00 am »

Strategy for adventurer: Make sure you level throwing and ambushing up till */2500. That way you sneak at 100% speed and are as acurate as you can get. Then, wrestle a zombie in a ruin untill you have the same level in wrestling. By now you should have all stats at max too. Then, sneak through ruins and pick up all loot you can find. Sell it to merchants and use it to buy masterpiece iron armor and weapons. Once fully tooled up, convince as many others to follow as you can. In the cave/ruin, stick to the most valuable one. They are all psysic and will eventualy walk up to the boss. Start the fight by wrestling just after your meatshield engaged and gouge out their eyes. Then, start hacking away.
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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 08:14:00 am »

Read The Wiki

Specifically, you start out as a legendary thrower and as you gain experience you become a dabbling one.

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 08:33:00 am »

This might help so you don't get ovverun...

Also In the wiki

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 09:03:00 am »

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Originally posted by Asehujiko:
<STRONG>Strategy for adventurer: Make sure you level throwing and ambushing up till */2500. That way you sneak at 100% speed and are as acurate as you can get. Then, wrestle a zombie in a ruin untill you have the same level in wrestling. By now you should have all stats at max too. Then, sneak through ruins and pick up all loot you can find. Sell it to merchants and use it to buy masterpiece iron armor and weapons. Once fully tooled up, convince as many others to follow as you can. In the cave/ruin, stick to the most valuable one. They are all psysic and will eventualy walk up to the boss. Start the fight by wrestling just after your meatshield engaged and gouge out their eyes. Then, start hacking away.</STRONG>

But that's just plain boring. It is possible to have a grand adventure without power-gaming.

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 09:31:00 am »

That too.

Also, the game is designed to kill your adventurers.

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 10:54:00 am »

This may seem pretty basic but they work for me.

  • When fighting multiple opponents alone try to make it so you're fighting one at a time.

  • If you're out in the open try to target the most fighting capable monster first.  A knocked down wolf won't attack as often as the fresh one that just walked up to you, and one that was knocked out from pain won't attack for a very long time.(even when he does get up he'll probably pass out again shortly after)

  • When fighting semimegabeasts and hordes of undead try to stay near your best meatshield. They will draw some fire and give you many more chances to attack.

  • Just because a weapon in a shop has all the fancy symbols does not mean it's a masterwork, it may just be masterfully engraved or whatnot. Look before you buy.

  • Don't pick up anything surrounded by $ or !! unless you know what you're doing.

  • If you get hit with an arrow, and you don't see the archer, kiss your ass goodbye. Or try to hide (Unconfirmed: They don't seem to want to shoot through their buddies, even though they currently can't hurt them. That may help)

  • Losing is fun.

I don't like the start of adventure powerleveling either, but I usually manage to get an adventurer to around the mighty levels before I meet an untimely end.
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[ August 26, 2007: Message edited by: Greiger ]

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 11:37:00 am »

I've found that the easiest and quickest way to make your adventurer more likely to survive is to change your combat options.  Hit 'c', and you will see preferences for (a)ttacking, (d)odging, and (c)harge defense.  The defaults, as you may have noticed, tend to get you killed.  If you set them to 'strike', 'move around', and 'dodge away' it should result in a much longer-lived adventurer, even if you don't power train sneaking/throwing/wrestling.
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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 12:09:00 pm »

Try doing it through tactics and skill

if that doesnt work, try doing it through power-playing

if that doesnt work, cheat

if that doesnt work, mod the game to be easier (a more severe form of cheating)

if that doesnt work, keep modding until you figure it out    :)

As always, the wiki has a plethora of information on playing normally and being a cheapy/cheaty player.

Generally though, if a game frustrates me I tend to cheat anyway (or if i feel like using it as a sandbox mode)  :p

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2007, 12:34:00 pm »

In caves and whatnot the best advice I can give is to pick a room that gets traffic, set up off to the side of the main pathing area and chain strafe from side to side while sneaking.  You will get allot of enemies wandering through that you can ambush relatively safely.

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2007, 01:01:00 pm »

Yeah, reading the wiki is something I've been spending a good amount of time doing lately, and it's helped a little. I guess I'm just used to a little bit longer-lived adventures (I'm an Angband player), and I keep forgetting this game is still alpha.

Either way the fact that i can even forget that while playing is great. I love this damned game!

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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2007, 02:45:00 pm »

I've only played Adventurer Mode once, but it didn't seem so hard... I wandered into a cave, slaughtered some goblins, a naked mole dog, some bats, and an ettin, then went off to find more stuff. Found a map filled with wimpy skeletons and zombies, started to clean it out, got bored, went to a town and retired.
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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 06:06:00 pm »

If you get knocked down (and that will happen a lot), immediately stand back up. If an enemy is blocking you, move one square and stand up. When you're on the ground, you're about 3 times as slow as normal, so every enemy will hit you 3 times for each attack you make. Even wild animals can kill you easily if you're lying down.
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Re: Bastardly hard
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 06:20:00 pm »

There is some options in the combat preference menu which allow you to decide whatever action your adventurer do when you attack. The default is "according to opponent", but I always switch it between "strike" and "charge" as wanted. Otherwise, you may end up with your adventurer charging against your will, fall on your adversary and then end up on the ground, mobbed to a pulp by the other monsters...
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