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[Defensive kobra]

i plan on temporarily retiring a fortress so that i may have hand crafted adventurers in my fortress, are there any dangers about such an procedure that i should be aware of or some common mistake people make when attempting this? (the specific adventurers i plan to make are ones that are legendary in niche skills like cooking and perofming or just peasant adventurers with more valid skills, all of whom are charmeleon women and some normal peasant miner dwarves and lastly a few stronk but unskilled dwarves for hauling and only hauling)

also can retired fortresses starve, have residents leave etc while you are away, and on an completely unrelated note how do you force / encourage an member of your military to use an unarmed skill like biter or kicker in combat? will it be sufficient for them to have the most skill in that type of attack compared to other weapon skills?

[PatrikLundell]

I don't think there are any problems with retiring a fortress (no starvation, etc.), but unretiring has a large number of bugs associated with it, such as all booze spilled onto the floor, everything under an ocean flooded, things locked in released, non hostile hostile visitors, and more. People who actually unretire fortresses might be able to tell you more.

[Thon]

Ooh, first time posting here and got some stuff to share about it.

Retiring works quite okay, !fun! stuff happen when you unretire though.

If you made a trap/farm with an untrained wild animal(Giant cave spider, dragons etc ) that guy will be placed somewhere random when you unretire and if they are caged, they'll likely be badly trained and loose somewhere random. I ended up with some named creature corpses and half the fortress melted that way before I figured that out. Butcher them or wall them off somewhere before retiring ( they were released but still contained ). Caged invaders disappeared for me ( had a bunch of them in stockpiles with 3 of them built in beastiary, all of them were gone upon unretiring )

If you have a monarch, monarch may decide to go back to the original mountainhome. Mine did , took her artifact bed from her room with her. She was in her royal guard military squad ( Martial art training good mood purposes )  and  thus she was bugged on the military screen, stuck as 'traveling'.

Your artifact list gets bugged/reset upon retiring. I don't know how that works, I had several pages long artifacts/books in the menu, but when I unretired the list was more or less gone. I did check where they were stored ( guildhalls / museum ) and there wasn't any empty pedestals so I'm assuming they were still there, just not on the list.

Any chests you placed in dwarf bedrooms will be removed and hauled to storage, it may be keeping cabinets, I'm not sure, program generated forts seem to have cabinets in them so they may stay. Armor stands/weapon racks get hauled also I think.

The booze/food stored in fort seems to still be there when you go there with an adventurer, I stocked many adventurers by sneaking in and grabbing some quality grub that way. When you unretire though, almost all your booze will be gone.

Your favorite dwarves may get a barony and leave the fort. I ran into one of the war heroes in the original mountainhome and she was marked as a baroness. Her husband was still in the fort I retired.

When you unretire, it will seem bugged for a while due to LOADS of hauling jobs present. Gets better in time.

If you used quantum stockpiles, they may or may not need re - building. Stockpiles keep their proper settings, minecarts are hauled away, tracks are present. Sometimes they work properly once you put back the minecarts, sometimes you need remove tracks, rebuild tracks and create a new hauling route.( It could also be that they are in a low priority because of the LOADS of hauling jobs )

May keep posting more about it. I accidentally embarked with a dying civilization and doing a lot of retiring/unretiring, adventuring/ legends browsing atm.

Edit: Spoiler part grammar was even worse than it is right now.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 ( I chose it because I liked the name ) which only had the mountainhome, and also embarked outside it's borders ( no baronies/economically linked sites in 70 years of play in two different forts, can't start an adventurer from the civilization ), planning to train a robust military, retire and start several outposts in between my current embark and mountainhome ( mess with ini to stop migrants after the first two waves ) hopefully reviving the civilization ( interesting setting, civilization has a very old queen with her husband dead over a hundred years ago, no heir, mayor of the mountainhome is a necromancer and there's actually a story there. Captain of the guard in mountainhome is a notorious womanizer, a serial dater/divorcer then, finds the 'one', stays with same partner for a long time, partner dies, gets corrupted by the mayor, goes to steal a necromancer slab for mayor, mayor becomes a necromancer, then there is a brief love affair between the captain and mayor which leads to... captain also becoming a necromancer. I'm assuming they will make a power grab soon as queen is dead. Trying to keep her ass put in the outpost colonies in savage wilds, where the biggest problem is giant vultures scattering caravans with the occasional goblin sieges... also the ruins of another dying dwarven civilization after they dug too deep. I did try to raze the site once, ended up 10 dwarves meeting very graphic demises and more than half of the initial 80 strong raiding force ( almost all legendary ) being imprisoned. There are some nasty demons there instagibbing any adventurer I send from one screen away...

[Defensive kobra]

Ooh, first time posting here and got some stuff to share about it.

Retiring works quite okay, !fun! stuff happen when you unretire though.

If you made a trap/farm with an untrained wild animal(Giant cave spider, dragons etc ) that guy will be placed somewhere random when you unretire and if they are caged, they'll likely be badly trained and loose somewhere random. I ended up with some named creature corpses and half the fortress melted that way before I figured that out. Butcher them or wall them off somewhere before retiring ( they were released but still contained ). Caged invaders disappeared for me ( had a bunch of them in stockpiles with 3 of them built in beastiary, all of them were gone upon unretiring )

If you have a monarch, monarch may decide to go back to the original mountainhome. Mine did , took her artifact bed from her room with her. She was in her royal guard military squad ( Martial art training good mood purposes )  and  thus she was bugged on the military screen, stuck as 'traveling'.

Your artifact list gets bugged/reset upon retiring. I don't know how that works, I had several pages long artifacts/books in the menu, but when I unretired the list was more or less gone. I did check where they were stored ( guildhalls / museum ) and there wasn't any empty pedestals so I'm assuming they were still there, just not on the list.

Any chests you placed in dwarf bedrooms will be removed and hauled to storage, it may be keeping cabinets, I'm not sure, program generated forts seem to have cabinets in them so they may stay. Armor stands/weapon racks get hauled also I think.

The booze/food stored in fort seems to still be there when you go there with an adventurer, I stocked many adventurers by sneaking in and grabbing some quality grub that way. When you unretire though, almost all your booze will be gone.

Your favorite dwarves may get a barony and leave the fort. I ran into one of the war heroes in the original mountainhome and she was marked as a baroness. Her husband was still in the fort I retired.

When you unretire, it will seem bugged for a while due to LOADS of hauling jobs present. Gets better in time.

If you used quantum stockpiles, they may or may not need re - building. Stockpiles keep their proper settings, minecarts are hauled away, tracks are present. Sometimes they work properly once you put back the minecarts, sometimes you need remove tracks, rebuild tracks and create a new hauling route.( It could also be that they are in a low priority because of the LOADS of hauling jobs )

May keep posting more about it. I accidentally embarked with a dying civilization and doing a lot of retiring/unretiring, adventuring/ legends browsing atm.

Edit: Spoiler part grammar was even worse than it is right now.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 ( I chose it because I liked the name ) which only had the mountainhome, and also embarked outside it's borders ( no baronies/economically linked sites in 70 years of play in two different forts, can't start an adventurer from the civilization ), planning to train a robust military, retire and start several outposts in between my current embark and mountainhome ( mess with ini to stop migrants after the first two waves ) hopefully reviving the civilization ( interesting setting, civilization has a very old queen with her husband dead over a hundred years ago, no heir, mayor of the mountainhome is a necromancer and there's actually a story there. Captain of the guard in mountainhome is a notorious womanizer, a serial dater/divorcer then, finds the 'one', stays with same partner for a long time, partner dies, gets corrupted by the mayor, goes to steal a necromancer slab for mayor, mayor becomes a necromancer, then there is a brief love affair between the captain and mayor which leads to... captain also becoming a necromancer. I'm assuming they will make a power grab soon as queen is dead. Trying to keep her ass put in the outpost colonies in savage wilds, where the biggest problem is giant vultures scattering caravans with the occasional goblin sieges... also the ruins of another dying dwarven civilization after they dug too deep. I did try to raze the site once, ended up 10 dwarves meeting very graphic demises and more than half of the initial 80 strong raiding force ( almost all legendary ) being imprisoned. There are some nasty demons there instagibbing any adventurer I send from one screen away...

question: what about liquids and alchohol that is stored safely within the water skins of adventruers, will such booze stay put? it is well known what happens to liquids in reclaimation, just curious, i am still really early in my fort, have less than a dozen dwarves and so i will probably not need to worry about loosing artefacts or nobles

[Thon]

Haven't retired adventurers at all so no idea. Fort wise, usually I'm up to 150+ dwarves with farms/workshops/well fed from underground caves so I never had to pay attention to it. One good way to check it is save the game, copy the folder, and run the test on the copy. Some call it savescumming, I call it science.

[PatrikLundell]

Save scumming is really reverting to a previous save to recover from mistakes, and it really is an issue only if you then brag about achieving something but "forget" to mention that it took 50 attempts to succeed. DF is a sandbox game, after all. Using the same save as the source for controlled experiments is indeed good science.

[Urist9876]

All liquids. including those in waterskins, will be dumped on reclaim. They are available to adventurers.
Weapon traps are deadly. Don't build those on places your adventurer has to go.
Cabinets and chests will be unbuild. This happens in innsm temples, bedrooms etc.
Items will be scattered unless on display.
Clothing will be replaced by standard clothes eventually.
Prisoners will be released.
Caged creatures underground will be released.
Animals assigned to someone will keep following that person when switched to adventure mode.

[Leonidas]

i plan on temporarily retiring a fortress so that i may have hand crafted adventurers in my fortress, are there any dangers about such an procedure that i should be aware of or some common mistake people make when attempting this? (the specific adventurers i plan to make are ones that are legendary in niche skills like cooking and perofming or just peasant adventurers with more valid skills, all of whom are charmeleon women and some normal peasant miner dwarves and lastly a few stronk but unskilled dwarves for hauling and only hauling)

I'm currently doing this, too. A few points in addition to what the others have said:
1. Pastures lose all assignments, so they'll have to be rebuilt.
2. Some of my stockpiles weren't working correctly, especially food. So I ended up rebuilding most of them.
3. Items in bins remain in their tile, but outside their bins. This made rebuilding those stockpiles more difficult.
4. If you're tempted to add an animal person, as I was, read this thread. You can still give them military training, but they move very slowly and their vision is weak.

Edit:
5. I seem to recall that my site's government was suddenly at peace with everyone, at least for a while.
6. All justice sentences are considered served, and all prisoners are released.
7. Lots of visitor weirdness. Next time I retire a fort, I'm driving out all visitors first to see if that helps.

[thegoatgod_pan]

A lot of furniture gets unbuilt for whatever reason--I had to rebuild my entire library because every bookcase was unconstructed while remaining in the exact same spot. Ditto room furniture like cabinets.

[DrCyano]

I've not had any trouble with retiring and unretiring fortresses. When you unretire, you just need to redo some of the house keeping to get it back on track (eg job manager orders).

[anewaname]

A lot of furniture gets unbuilt for whatever reason--I had to rebuild my entire library because every bookcase was unconstructed while remaining in the exact same spot. Ditto room furniture like cabinets.

I wonder if this is because they are containers that had items in them.

[aradar]

Old thread but there's a lot of important stuff here and I just wanted to mention that in the current steam release all of this still happens and I wanted to also include that also bags of powder will also be dumped all over the place

And upon unretiring a fort in the current version you start off with 4,000 food regardless of how much food you had before retiring and zero drink , and all work orders prior to retiring are gone.

[brewer bob]

There's quite a number of threads about retiring/unretiring shenanigans, which are probably still relevant with 0.50->

The Planning For Retirement thread has a quite comprehensive list of what you should consider when retiring/unretiring.

Unretire mechanics and bugs has discussions and rants about bugs, but also mentions that some "bugs" are intentional.

Then there's the DF Wiki page on reclaiming fortresses, which lists much of the same stuff.

[aradar]

There's quite a number of threads about retiring/unretiring shenanigans, which are probably still relevant with 0.50->

The Planning For Retirement thread has a quite comprehensive list of what you should consider when retiring/unretiring.

Unretire mechanics and bugs has discussions and rants about bugs, but also mentions that some "bugs" are intentional.

Then there's the DF Wiki page on reclaiming fortresses, which lists much of the same stuff.

I don't know 100%, what's different but I play on the steam version and I can tell you after reading all these links that the retiring mechanic in the steam version is a wee bit different.

[Wilfred of Ivanhoe]

Not sure if it's mentioned anywhere, but one unretire mechanic is that if you have books put on display on a pedestal, a locked door will not stop your dwarves from reading them while you're away. I had a bunch of necromancer books sealed away that way, and retiring and starting a new fort elsewhere led to necromancer migrants from a previously necromancer-free fort. Perhaps walling them off completely would work better for the purpose of keeping them from being touched.