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Author Topic: Can we get vanilla rapiers? They are ubiquitous in fantasy.  (Read 3497 times)

Überzwerg

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Re: Can we get vanilla rapiers? They are ubiquitous in fantasy.
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2019, 10:22:18 pm »

Rapiers are dueling weapons that became popular with the rise of firearms and the decline of full armor. Against armored opponents rapiers are useless.

Scimitars are probably called scimitars because it's the most iconic curved sword out there, and "scimitar" is shorter than "curved sword"
Sabre is the short generic name for a curved sword.
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Re: Can we get vanilla rapiers? They are ubiquitous in fantasy.
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2019, 11:10:26 pm »

Ironically many game systems give Rapiers some sort of armor piercing characteristic. :D

Having a "thrusting sword" weapon type would be pretty nice, even if it's mostly flavor. This applies if we're going with generated weapons just as well, though I'm not fully convinced that we are.
Then again, I also think that early firearms would be a pretty sweet thing to have in some worlds, so maybe what I think works well doesn't align with Toady's vision. :D
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Re: Can we get vanilla rapiers? They are ubiquitous in fantasy.
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2019, 11:59:21 pm »

Ironically many game systems give Rapiers some sort of armor piercing characteristic. :D

Having a "thrusting sword" weapon type would be pretty nice, even if it's mostly flavor. This applies if we're going with generated weapons just as well, though I'm not fully convinced that we are.
Then again, I also think that early firearms would be a pretty sweet thing to have in some worlds, so maybe what I think works well doesn't align with Toady's vision. :D

Just calling it a "thrusting sword" would work i suppose.
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Re: Can we get vanilla rapiers? They are ubiquitous in fantasy.
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 12:06:25 am »

I tend to think in Dark Souls logic, so we've got Straight Swords, Greatswords, Ultra Greatswords, Curved Swords, Curved Greatswords, Thrusting Swords, and of course Katanas. :P
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Re: Can we get vanilla rapiers? They are ubiquitous in fantasy.
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2019, 11:11:41 am »

Sabre is the short generic name for a curved sword.

Scimitars are considered a type of sabre, so sabre is a more general term, which is good, as is the fact that it's a shorter word, but the problem with the word sabre is that it can also be confusing, since the modern fencing sabre is a long, thin, straight sword, not to mention the popular straight laser swords used by space wizards that are apparently also sabres. I know that they aren't technically sabres, but the fact that people seem to be using the word "sabre" as a synonym of the word "sword" indicates that sabres aren't iconic as a curved sword, even though that's literally the meaning of the word.

I assume scimitars are the word used in DF because their status as the curved sword has it's foundations in a great deal of cartoons and video games, as well as Middle-Eastern flags and/or heraldry, and to my knowledge there are no straight swords that claim to be scimitars. When people hear/read "scimitar", there's a significant chance that they know that it's referencing a curved sword.
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Re: Can we get vanilla rapiers? They are ubiquitous in fantasy.
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2019, 11:13:15 am »

Egan: I think rapiers would have an armor piercing advantage in DF as well, due to the low contact area of a rapier. But i dont understand combat mechanics THAT well...

Thrusting swords might make sense, and if i understand correctly, some thrusting swords were, in fact, not rapiers. But im going purely of memory here.
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