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[denemelikfierro@gmail.com]

May I ask why it is not possible to reply to this topic: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182224.msg8514470;topicseen#msg8514470

While the general discussion of the Russia-Ukraine war is still open?

Thanks in advance.

[crazyabe]

TLDR- the thread got overheated and disruptive- so Toady shut it down.
Contrarily, the Russia-Ukraine war thread- while still having the occasional argument- is far more civil.

[Starver]

There was a Ukraine War thread that got locked (similarly) back in 2023.

It was from then that the "emotional" thread was created (for thoughts and philosophy on the situation?), and also a "junior reporter" one (for facts). Perhaps to try to limit the tendency for hyperbolic intenseness to spoil discourse.

Ironically, the newsy one has been forgotten (postable, but might need necroing if you want to add to it), and the other one we see is active and perhaps a majority being based upon news. (Depending on your strict cut-off from "here's a link" to "here's what I think about that".) Possibly it can officially 'absorb' a bit more emotion due to it being offifially open to that. But actively probing the unwritten limits would be unwise and not helpful.


Threads can be locked by their owners (those that started them), as well as Toady (and any others given such powers, per sub-forum or site-wide). Some are locked after going beyond the intent of their OPs.


But the main problem here, I think, is that Israel vs Gaza is such a much more complicated mess of extreme viewpoints, from those not involved (I'm not aware of anyone directly involved, of either side, so it's distant opinionating mostly). Ukraine vs Russia might still have extreme viewpoints around the wider internet, but we don't really have anyone on the Russian side (we have actual Russians, here, but not ones subscribing to the Kremlin's position on all this) and it's less messy and (IMO!) more black and white anyway, at least at the moment. Maybe a bit of an echo-chamber, but a realistically-slanted one and better than a gladiatorial arena of diametrically opposed (and additionally perpendicularly placed!) opinions being batted back and forth in a manner that generates unwanted heat.

[Great Order]

TLDR- the thread got overheated and disruptive- so Toady shut it down.
Contrarily, the Russia-Ukraine war thread- while still having the occasional argument- is far more civil.

Bit of racism was the final straw though.

[wobbly]

Comments were definitely racist, "semites killing other semites".. I don't know the guy, but have read some of his posts and it looked more like flipping the lid after having enough one day, rather then generally held sentiments.  Either way, crossed a line and took the thread with him. Politics threads tend to be closed when someone breaches the forum guidelines. A new one can be started if you believe people will keep their cool. I believe the USA politics thread is in its 3rd incarnation? Some topics die quickly, and die again if restarted, and some topics, the people interested learn to keep their cool.

[martinuzz]

The US has warned it's diplomatic staff in Israel, including Jerusalem, where the embassy is housed, to immediatly seek shelter nearby where they are right now, until told otherwise.

US and Israeli media report based on anonymous US sources that Iran will fire a series of ballistic missiles at Israel within the coming 12 hours.
The US have warned Iran that attacking Israel will have huge consequences, and say they expect a much larger Israeli response than back in April, when Iran fired drones and missiles at Israel.

[martinuzz]

The Iranian attack has started.

EDIT: about a hundred ballistic missiles were fired from Iran. Iran stated that this attack was in retaliation to the deaths of Hezbollah and Hamas leaders. It added that they will cease the attack now, but when Israel or US retaliate, they will fire more.

Israelis have been told they can leave the bomb shelters again. So far, only 2 casualties have been reported, and those were lightly injured by falling debris.
Missiles did hit eastern and central Israel. Damages still need to be assessed.


Let's hope it does not escalate any further.

[Great Order]

This isn't the Israel-Palestine thread, and personally I'd be really careful about discussing it given it always veers into flaming.

[martinuzz]

News reporting should not be silenced by risk of flaming. I would post in the Israel/Palestine thread, but that's locked, right? This is the only thread on the topic atm.

One deadly casualty has been reported. A Palestinian from Gaza was killed near Jericho by falling debris, according to Palestinian media.

[Il Palazzo]

Start a proper thread if you must. At least you'll feel some responsibility for keeping it civil then.

[Strongpoint]

News reporting should not be silenced by risk of flaming. I would post in the Israel/Palestine thread, but that's locked, right? This is the only thread on the topic atm.

One deadly casualty has been reported. A Palestinian from Gaza was killed near Jericho by falling debris, according to Palestinian media.

Making a new one, like "Perpetual War in the Middile East", is always an option.

[martinuzz]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-war.html

Hamas has been preparing 7 october attack, and coordinating it with Hezbollah and Iran since at least 2021, purposedly avoiding escalation and attacks to feign opting for peace, while planning an incrusion with the goal of collapsing the state of Israel.
Iran pledged Iran's and Hezbollah's support with striking sensitive sites in Israel in a 2023 meeting, but said they needed more time to prepare for it.

[Doomblade187]

meanwhile lebanese local government is fair game, apparently. (Mayor and council dead from a strike in the south.)
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/israeli-strike-rocks-beirut-suburbs-044418689.html

BEIRUT/WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Israel launched an airstrike on Wednesday on the municipal headquarters in Nabatieh, a major town in south Lebanon, killing the mayor and at least five others.

[Mech#4]

Since this topic was created by someone asking about the original one which was closed, I wouldn't go turning this into a replacement. Particularly because the topic creator probably isn't looking to moderate it themselves.