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[Urist McFluffles]

Well, im back, sorry to piss everyone off with my questions again but when there's one there's usually another just round the corner. Basically I've created a mod that puts the world of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. into dwarf fortress, however, every time I gen a world the civilizations i designate with babysnatcher never declare war in the legends, even though they have a red line in the embark screen. Furthermore, another civilization seems to have the No Trading tag next to its name in the embark screen. I dont even think the civilizations kill each other unless the targets are nightbeasts.

[AceSV]

The No Trading I've seen before.  It means the civ doesn't have any wagon pullers.  Experience would suggest that No Trading civs cannot receive migrant waves past the first two and it may effect fortress breeding rates, but this is unconfirmed. 

[Urist McFluffles]

Well i guess i'll look into the no trading thing but how about the whole war and violence thing.

[z3shep]

According to a source probably more reliable than me, entities are divided into four 'factions': the 'civilized', the babysnatchers, the item thieves, and the babysnatching item thieves. Entities in the same faction are neutral without a declaration of war, and entities in different factions are automatically hostile.

From my own, probably unreliable experience, civilized entities don't attack at all without declaring war. If you're trying to make two entities wage war on each other as much as possible, you could set up their ethics to oppose as much as possible. The wiki has a chart on how ethics affect how entities think of each other. Declarations of war are also apparently based on ruler personality, so if you set up the entity creature to have a very warlike attitude in general, war might happen more often.

In the end, this is a very finicky system you're working with. Best of luck in getting it to work how you want.

[Urist McFluffles]

I guess i'll try that out, thanks for the help.

[vjmdhzgr]

According to a source probably more reliable than me, entities are divided into four 'factions': the 'civilized', the babysnatchers, the item thieves, and the babysnatching item thieves. Entities in the same faction are neutral without a declaration of war, and entities in different factions are automatically hostile.

From my own, probably unreliable experience, civilized entities don't attack at all without declaring war. If you're trying to make two entities wage war on each other as much as possible, you could set up their ethics to oppose as much as possible. The wiki has a chart on how ethics affect how entities think of each other. Declarations of war are also apparently based on ruler personality, so if you set up the entity creature to have a very warlike attitude in general, war might happen more often.

In the end, this is a very finicky system you're working with. Best of luck in getting it to work how you want.

You mostly got it right. However, entities without [BABY_SNATCHER] or [ITEM_THIEF] definitely will attack without declaring war if you're playing as a civilization that does have [BABY_SNATCHER] or [ITEM_THIEF]. Furthermore the system is actually quite reliable. I've experimented with it a lot myself and a huge part of Masterwork is based off of it, it definitely works as reported. As for why they're not going to war but do have a red line, that's what I've called a baby snatcher conflict, which is basically the same as being completely neutral towards each other except when a fortress is founded, at which point they start fighting, at least in that fortress. So in world generation all [BABY_SNATCHER] and [ITEM_THIEF] does is make them send out baby snatchers and item thieves, but once you start a fortress they start fighting each other in the way that can be used to form factions.