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[Kolnukbyne]

Let's say in my world there's a large uninhabited area where I can only get dwarves as neighbours. If I had modified the human/elf/goblin entities and embarked them to that area, would that extend their civilisation's influence and allow them to be neighbours when embarking in that area?

[klefenz]

I would assume they will, but there is only one way to be sure.

[Halnoth]

I would think so but wouldn't that only leave a site with the number of citizens you left there? meaning that if you left 7 goblins at your new site and retired then the civ would only be able to send 7 gobs to attack.

Also, I think this probably goes in the modding forum.

[Psieye]

It's an interesting question: make a modded race that explosively breeds (multiple births per pregnancy, no baby or child stages) and nurture them for oh... 3 years. That should bring the population to siege-worthy levels. Then see if a "next door" fort gets invaded by them.

For sanity, stop worldgen in year 1 to prevent population (and data) explosion.

[Urlance Woolsbane]

That's an intriguing idea. I wish I'd thought of it.

Also of interest to you might be the DFHack "startdwarf" command, which allows you to increase the amount of citizens on embark to whatever amount you wish (provided it doesn't crash the game); and the "points" script, which should allow you to increase the amount of embark points, meaning that not only can you accommodate all the extra citizens, you can make them into nightmarish, military prodigies.

EDIT:
Well, this is embarrassing. One still can't allot more than 10 points to a citizen, nor more than 5 points to a particular skill. Is there a script that deals with this?

[Dunamisdeos]

Not that I know of, but you can embark them with things like steel equipment and 50 war dogs.

[Niddhoger]

afaik, retired forts are considered standard worldgen created sites, and worldgen continues around them.  I've retired fortresses to have them be attacked and taken over by goblins.  I learned the hard way that defenses mean nothing in these fights- its just a straight simulated fight with equipment/skills (I know only retire forts when everyone is a trained and equipped soldier). 

That being said, you'd obviously need to use two different civilization and have one of them at war with another.  If you simply mod one to have the standard child snatching/thief tags it'll be at war with all humans/dorfs/elves.  However, you'd actually want to embark as athe gobbos then have them war on the dorfs you'd later play... The game simply doesn't handle intra-faction fighting.  You never see dorf vs dorf wars or even gobbo vs gobbo wars (although they do murder on the individual level).  So I'm pretty sure it'd be buggy as hell if you tried to get two "dwarf" (you embark and create forts, migration, etc) civilizations fight each other.  I'm pretty sure the game would consider both "dwarf" civilizations.  Even if you modded the game to play as gobbos, then unmodded to play as standard dwarf after "seeding" an area... probably super buggy.

How about... you just generate a different world to find more gobbos? Even large worlds with short histories are relatively quick to make.  Just crank up the number of civilizations to max.  You should be able to further increase civilization size in the advanced world gen settings.  You can also lower the number of megabeasts, as they can wreck civilizations as well. 

[AceSV]

I've done that before and it works. 

[MDFification]

This raises an interesting question. Say you have a loyalty cascade, and separatists (loyal to the fort, not the civ) win. When you retire the fort, what happens? I think they're counted as a separate entity but hostile to your old entity. If you build up their population enough, can you then start a dwarf-on-dwarf war? Will they ever make peace?

[Goatmaan]

Just a note about immigration.
I'm on my 2nd attempt at a 1000 dwarf fort. I had to retire my 1st attempt because a low child cap broke immagrant wave sizes, retired with 120 military.

New fort, I started getting immigrants with their nicknames m.a, m.x., m.s,m.h.
All the m.x. ( crossbow squads) had brought their *steel crossbow* with them!!
A few m.a (axe squads) brought their *steel axe*!!!!
Seems all axe had woodcutter skill. All crossbow had hunter.
NONE brought armor, but eh...free masterworks are always good, not to mention +5 archers/axemen.

  Goatmaan

[Insert_Gnome_Here]

I had a similar thing happening to me. in one world, this legendary weaponsmith follows me around, always migrating to my latest fort. I will be so annoyed if he dies.

[Vattic]

Makes me wonder if a retired fort grants your civilisation access to whatever new materials you discovered there.

[AceSV]

Makes me wonder if a retired fort grants your civilisation access to whatever new materials you discovered there.

If you civ has [USE_ANY_PET_RACE] it does not grant access to the animals in the retired fort's biome.  That said, I don't think I ever tried with a fortress of more than the automatic migrant waves; you might need a certain population or a certain time spent there to count.  I was actually doing this to try to cheat the fact that my [USE_ANY_PET_RACE] civilization didn't have any pack animals, which obviously prevented trade caravans from the homeland, somehow prevented migrants other than the automatic waves and might possibly have prevented all fortress residents from having children. 

In case the blow-by-blow is helpful to anyone, I was trying to start a war with all of the mod races from furry fortress, one of them was not in the area I wanted to build on, so I made them a quick fortress next door and behold, they started sending caravans to me for ransacking.  But then I realized I was playing 40.xx and I spent a very boring couple of years with the two towers as my only friendly neighbors.  Finally I got word from the homeland that our capital (and only non-player city) had been conquered by humans, so I sent a team to Reclaim it.  I assumed that the population had been killed or at least disbanded, so you can imagine my shock when I discovered its 200+ alive and well and completely hostile to my reclaim part.  So I decided to abandon it and reclaim with a team of more militarily focused dwarves and wouldn't you know it, they all decided that they were not hostile anymore.  And just to add further insult to this misadventure, the humans conquered one of the retired fortresses which I had completely sealed off to the outside world. 

[Vattic]

Thanks for the information. Perhaps you need to properly domesticate a creature to make it available like that.

I will have to do some science I suppose.