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Rolan7

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Anxious about visiting home
« on: April 22, 2015, 08:56:37 pm »

Um hi
I live 2.5 hours away from my family and I haven't visited them in three months.  And it's my birthday tomorrow, and this weekend there's a family reunion which I'm pretty much dedicated to attending.
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I don't even know why I'm so anxious.  Mostly.  Nothing I want to think about, much less write about.  I have text and recordings which I made specifically to remind me, but I don't want to.  I want everything to be okay.  And with distance, everything is okay... 

Okay it's nothing like *that*, let's get that out of the way.  Just long term psychological... I don't know.

Whenever I'm with either parent it's like I become such a different person.  Weak, silly and dumb.  My self esteem drops to zero and it's like I haven't accomplished anything.  Then when I'm back home, safe and secure again, I just lie in place.  Moving to eat and work.  For like, a week or two.

I probably shouldn't post so much here but, I've never really enjoyed birthdays anyway.
Oh shit my mom's calling.
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2015, 10:24:54 pm »

Hey.

With the detail you provided, I don't know how or if your situation relates to mine, but I'm estranged from my parents too. I don't really relate to them beyond as these people who were important figures in my earlier life... the sometimes-reluctant providers of room and board who tried and often failed to do well at parenting. In this case, that took the form of various kinds of physical and mental abuse, along with general emotional unavailability and absence. Naturally, our relationship was burned pretty badly.

I say all this because I also really only see them during holidays or get-togethers with other family members. I used to want to wait it out until they "got better", so I could trust them, let my guard down with them, or otherwise get close to them in ways I wished I could have when younger. But there's a point when you get burned too many times... when you've spent so much time trying to build a better kind of interaction with them while their old ways are so slow to change that it's time to change your approach instead. Hence, these days I try my best to represent who I am and what's important to me, while also keeping my emotional distance, letting them know when I disagree or can't do something, leaving or refusing to talk with them sometimes, or whatever else my day-to-day functionality needs to keep going, without excusing their behavior or our history.

Even so, this leaves a lot of unresolved baggage between us. Often when we're together, I bite my tongue and withdraw from them, rather than opening the old Pandora's Box and letting all the things that happened between us over the years explode out all at once. I try to talk things out with them gradually over the long-term, without ever getting overly committed to "making things between us better," because ultimately I can't do that on my own, no matter how hard I try. It requires dissociation too; meaning putting your feelings into a mental box and forgetting about them for the time being, while hopefully remembering to deal with them at some point in the future. There's times when the degree of dissociation being around them requires has lead to listlessness and depression, and feelings of being drained or emotionally exhausted. Worse, sometimes I completely lose sight of the things I should be feeling and talking with them about afterward, so this drained and emotionally-dead feeling persists for weeks or months. I've found that talking to other people about them from time to time helps too, so I don't forget it, but can also take my time mentally and emotionally preparing myself to deal with.

Again, I don't know the details of your situation. And given that, the only real advice I could provide is that talking to us about the situation here might help you better understand the situation, define it better in your mind, and enable you to deal with it. Relationships like these can be really complex, and I don't know if there's ever a "best" policy for how to proceed. At least not that I'm aware of. But maybe my experience gives you a better framework to compare your own experience against?
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2015, 11:11:02 pm »

sounds like your family doesn't deserve you at its reunion.
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2015, 10:02:34 am »

sounds pretty normal to me
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2015, 11:12:38 am »

It took me a while to see it from the other perspective:  They have 15+ years of practice treating you as a child, and *needing* to treat you as a child and control/coerce you to keep you behaving and on track.  And you have 15+ years of practice relating to them as a child, thinking of them as giants who have all the power, so it's so so SO easy to slip right back into those roles.   Even 20+ years later I still feel like a kid a lot of the time when I'm with my parents. 

So basically, yeah, it sounds normal to me too.

Plus bigger family gatherings are gonna be a bit stressful anyway - teasing and competition ranging from friendly and well-meant up through mean-spirited and deliberately hurtful, depending on the players.   And nobody knows how to push your buttons like other family members.   So yea try your hardest to be cool and not overreact to stuff - it's at least good practice for all the other tons of social situations you're gonna get stuck in over the years (think of it as levelling up your social skills).   My big tip:  ask other people questions about what they've been doing or things you know they're interested in, (most) people love to talk about themselves so get them started and at worst you can get the spotlight off yourself.

Oh yeah, be prepared to answer "what have you been studying/how's work going" a billion times.  If you're bad at telling stories on the fly, have a couple of short anecdotes about funny stuff that happened to you, where you aren't bragging or making yourself look too bad.

Good luck!
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2015, 12:14:49 pm »

Thanks a lot everyone, I feel a lot better about it now.  Though I still think I'm going to need to recover after the visit ends (I'm starting the visit tomorrow).

The big family gathering is actually going to be the easiest part...  I've always been fairly distant from my extended family, even cousins, so interacting with them is like interacting with peers or professionals.  Which I actually enjoy!  I don't get the emotional vulnerability I get around my immediate family - seeing them doesn't remind me of my past failings.  Instead it's just a bunch of chatting about current events and nonsense, and shaking my head at their amusing political views  ;)

@Solifuge
Thanks for sharing.  It does sound similar.  I don't really know how much of any of this is their fault though, exactly.  It's more like I self destructed halfway through high school (when they divorced).  Then I seemed to be recovering in college, but I just fell apart again.  And then I made a terrible mess of my first serious career opportunity.

Basically they were amazingly supportive.  But they were also manipulative, hateful of each other, and incredibly passive aggressive.  To different degrees, but in the end I get super anxious about saying no to things.  And guilty.  I felt so guilty whenever I failed, which caused me to give up, and feel guilty for giving up, and feel guilty for feeling sorry for myself...  Yeah there's a reason I don't dare read the things I wrote back then.  I don't think I could handle remembering.

And I've talked to them about this, and they're doing all they can to help, but...  Learned behaviors are hard to break, for me and for them.

I really want to be on good terms with them, and over the phone we do really well these days.  But physical proximity just tears me all the way back down, particularly being alone with them.
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2015, 06:43:39 pm »

Everything kinda went a lot better than expected, mostly!  I'd say I'm actually on good terms with one of them, and the other I interact with online basically every day, so the guilt trips about visiting didn't really stick so much.  The reunion was a blast, too, I was asked to set up an AV system for some 1969 home movies.  Everything worked and I felt useful :)  And the movies were cute.

That said, I am feeling a little of the familiar numbness coming, and I'm having trouble thinking about doing things.  Tomorrow I'll try to resume some code projects I dropped.  For now...  Apparently despite the considerable amount I was drinking, quitting cold turkey for 9 days during a stressful time barely effected me.  If anything I felt more able to face my insecurities.  So I don't feel like I need to drink to fight anxiety anymore, at least for now.  That said, I'm going to drink some now.  In moderation though, and no more drinking habitually almost every night.

And *right* now, gonna get a blanket and finally watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas :D  Thanks again for the support, just being able to talk a little gave me the courage to ignore the anxiety and do what I decided was best.
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 04:53:48 am »

Um hi
I live 2.5 hours away from my family and I haven't visited them in three months.  And it's my birthday tomorrow, and this weekend there's a family reunion which I'm pretty much dedicated to attending.
...
I don't even know why I'm so anxious.  Mostly.  Nothing I want to think about, much less write about.  I have text and recordings which I made specifically to remind me, but I don't want to.  I want everything to be okay.  And with distance, everything is okay... 

Okay it's nothing like *that*, let's get that out of the way.  Just long term psychological... I don't know.

Whenever I'm with either parent it's like I become such a different person.  Weak, silly and dumb.  My self esteem drops to zero and it's like I haven't accomplished anything.  Then when I'm back home, safe and secure again, I just lie in place.  Moving to eat and work.  For like, a week or two.

I probably shouldn't post so much here but, I've never really enjoyed birthdays anyway.
Oh shit my mom's calling.

You dislike your parents, or some aspects of them, and don't want to be with them, but feel the need to push through this discomfort in order to please them, to appease them.
The reason you want to appease them is beyond my understanding. Is it social expectations? Or you caring about their feelings? Is it more important than what you feel yourself? In any case you should at least bring it up to them instead of beating yourself up over it.
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2015, 03:05:27 am »

Hey time for a redux.  Originally posted in the WTF thread but that's bad, bad Rolan7.

Speaking of Slaanesh, why the warp can't I get drunk recently.  I spent a week and a half on family vacation, dry, so my tolerance should be *lower*.
And maybe for a couple of days it was.  I don't remember those days well.  There was a lot of beer, but mostly there was the similar yet different yet (superior) stupor of focusing intently on work.  Quite a backlog.
But that was just the weekend and last Monday (and I don't mean Monday of last week, why the WARP is that a thing, I mean the Monday BEFORE NOW).
Tuesday I was sober even unto midnight, had to be (work, but different).  Wednesday I didn't feel any need.
Yesterday... well, technically day before... THURSDAY I got some rum.  And for some reason, it didn't seem to work at all.

Today it's finally working.  I remembered the trick to drinking it, from some 6 years ago.  It's 3:30AM though, and I'm scrabbling half-heartedly at the cliff face of not facing tomorrow.
I dunno why.  It's not a bad day by any stretch.  I can listen to podcasts for 3 hours as I drive to chill with my bro and play some co-op vidya.

Yet if I wasn't pleasantly numbed, I would be curled up in a ball dreading the dawn.  It's not that I don't want to be there.  I just want to be here.  It's so peaceful here, and I can interact with everyone I care about...  Safely.  At a distance.

I really don't know what I'm going to do tomorrow.  I know I'm going to sleep now, so I have more options tomorrow.  But at the same time, I'd love nothing more than to accidentally oversleep.  A familiar, though cowardly, notion.

"I wish I knew why I was like this."  Except, I don't.  I don't care at all.

When my brother mentioned we might be visiting a certain someone, I joked that my legs were broken.  (The follow up would have been that I broke them myself to avoid coming, but he didn't play along).  I am a hiker and a cyclist.  I didn't make that joke lightly.

Eh, whatever, this is simple.  I'll just stay home and play games with him online.  Or I'll make the trip, again, so soon, I don't know.  I just don't know.

If I do go, I'm bringing this liquor.  Plenty left.
Ugh, 6 hours total of driving.  Stab me now.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2015, 03:07:32 am by Rolan7 »
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Re: Anxious about visiting home
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2015, 11:22:29 pm »

Soooo I just stayed home but played Far Cry 3 online with my brother and my long distance sorta-boyfriend.
Kinda wondering if my brother read this, because he didn't even mention that I promised to drive down...  We just chatted and shared jokes, then played a bunch of coop.  Had a great evening, such a relief!

He's a real cool brother, I just really didn't want to drive and be around people again just yet.  After spending almost two weeks in tight quarters and no internet, getting back just last week.

It's also cool that he gets along with my sorta-boyfriend.  That's...  I'm not used to being in a relationship, it's pretty weird and sometimes I feel like I can't...  But it really helps that someone I care about a lot is cool with it, and has faith in me :)
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This one didn't want to be who they was. On the Surface – it was a dull, unconsidered sadness. But everything changed. Which implied everything could change.