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[Tawa]

No they don't. Helmets have the face exposed.

[vjmdhzgr]

No they don't. Helmets have the face exposed.

If you look in the raws the coverage of helmets is 100. It isn't wrong that they kind of leave the face exposed though. Because of the way armor works, helmets protect the entire "head" body part. However, they don't protect the ears, eyes, nose, or mouth. However, because the way body part targeting works, creatures attacking an unconscious dwarf will attack the "head" body part, and because in this game you can smash the middle toe of somebody's foot with a maul leaving all other toes untouched, the attack only hits the "head" body part, meaning the attack will only ever hit helmet, which it can't pierce. If you're still unconvinced you can try testing it in the object testing arena.

[Naryar]

Yeah, helmets make people GCS immune if and only if the GCS doesn't bite any other part. Which is all fine if the GCS webs before biting, but you never know with combat.

A single bite and a single dose of venom to the blood and there goes your lungs, after all.

[Tawa]

Arena mode tests:
GCS vs. Copper Helm:
Spawn GCS. Spawn dwarf wearing copper helm.
Take control of GCS. Web dwarf. Try to kill webbed dwarf by biting head, protected by copper helmet.
Never worked.
Dwarf wearing copper helmet spawns.
Giant cave spider spawns some distance from dwarf.
Giant cave spider proceeds to kill the dwarf, almost always biting non-head body parts. Dwarf quickly bleeds to death.
Repeated test several times. Same results each time.

So, to respond: My hypothesis that the GCS can defeat a dwarf wearing a helmet by biting it in the head is false. This was proven by the GCS's inability to bite through the dwarf's head. I concede this fact. A re-test with the dwarf completely covered in copper armor showed that it aims for the head every time when the dwarf is fully armored. Therefore, the statement that the GCS can't kill an armored dwarf by biting it is valid.

The GCSes, in the repeated copper armor tests, eventually started throttling the dwarf instead. It took quite a while, but the GCS did kill the dwarf. The copper armor did not stop the wrestling moves in the end.

A squad of 4 grand master dorfs were later seen to be capable of killing the GCS. But the fact stands that armor alone will not stop a GCS.

[StagnantSoul]

Ive seen single dwarves take them out.

[Tawa]

Ive seen single dwarves take them out.

Anomalies, luck. I've managed to kill a web titan with a rare adventurer, but the vast majority I've fought killed me in a couple seconds. (I never bothered testing beyond the 4 grand masters, by the way. A competent squad of reasonable size should be able to eliminate a single GCS.)

I will agree that single GCSes aren't worthy of the title any longer, though.

[StagnantSoul]

A fought a bronze spider with fire breathe once. First it'd web them, then it'd burn them. Web, burn, web, burn.

[Pwned dwarf]

I've decided to clean stuff up a bit by making challenges for beasts, since it doesn't matter if a beast can kill another beast it matters if a beast can kill dwarves, civilian & military and evade defenses
Civilian attack: Attack an amount of civilians and try to do as much damage in a set amount of time (to emulate how much time it has to kill before military arrives) most damage wins, one dwarf will have a copper pick and will have grand master fighter skill (miner, you can't give people miner skill in arena), 2 will have copper battle axes with no skill (tree cutter) and one will have a iron crossbow and 20 iron bolts with adequate crossbow and archer skills and novice discipline (hunter). Morale is turned on, there is a total of 30 dwarves and 5 dogs.
Military battle:fight against 7 skilled dwarves with iron high boots, chain leggings, mail shirt, helmet, shield and gauntlets, with steel weapons of variety. Plus 3 dwarves with iron helms, 25 iron bolts and oak wood crossbows, with competent skills. Beast with most damage dealt wins
It is required that a animal has a reason to attack the dwarves, it requires the steal food/item or large predator tags or something else to cause a battle. Bonus points to flying/amphibious beasts since they can avoid walls and even traps if there is a z level above/waterway, in both battles, there is a 20x20 area for the battle (so no one runs away)
Results of contests will be posted later, please post beasts that should enter the contest below, land/flying only for now.

[vjmdhzgr]

You should probably give the miners grand master fighter. The fighter skill isn't nearly as big an effect as the weapon skill, and miners are generally going to be higher than grand master skill level so they'll be weakened quite a bit even with this.

[Tawa]

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Woah man, can you turn down the size a little bit?

[Pwned dwarf]

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Woah man, can you turn down the size a little bit?

okay maybe i should