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Sutremaine

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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2015, 08:13:13 pm »

Wooden pots use the Woodcrafting skill, and barrels use the Carpentry skill. I find the latter more useful. Barrels are also far easier to come by if your fortress trades at all.
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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2015, 12:16:06 am »

I wish there was a way to designate what you want to be used for each.  Because I really prefer to make wooden large pots for food storage, but for liquor it doesnt really matter as much.  However my dwarves no matter what always seem to want to stick massive stacks of food into my barrels first and alcohol in the pots!  So frustrating sometimes.  The best way I have to get around it is to just never make barrels and get rid of them as quick as possible when I get them through trade and such, and make tons and tons and tons of pots. 

But it would be really nice if your kitchen and still had a toggle that you could tell it to use specifically pots or barrels or both for anything made out of that workshop.
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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2015, 11:43:35 am »

I use barrels at first to train carpenters to at least Master, then switch to pots, of either rock or wood, usually wood.

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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2015, 01:33:07 am »

Okay, so is it only my dwarves then that split large stacks of plants to be brewed into smaller stacks before brewing then?

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I noticed lately that if I give my brewer large stacks of plants to brew with, she will split the stack into 6 and then put the rest aside into it's own stack.  So a stack of 9 pigtails gets split into 6 and 3.  A stack of 7 plump helmets get's split into 6 and 1.  A stack of 6 cave wheat isn't split.

At first I thought it was just something to do with plump helmets since I thought that it was being split by the brewer just being hungry and wanting to eat something, but it happens with every large stack of plants.

I thought it could also be that I was using rock and glass pots, but this would be odd since pots where supposed to hold more anyway.  But even then when the dwarf used a wooden barrel, she only brewed 6 out of 8 sweet pods into it for 30 units of dwarven rum and leaving 2 sweet pods as a remainder.

Is this just me, or is this mechanic here to stay?  Has anybody else noticed this?
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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2015, 04:56:01 am »

Wait, when was the change introduced to make plants drop higher than 5-stack?
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2015, 01:47:46 pm »

It's been possible with highly skilled growers plus fertilizing for a long time, probably since whatever the first patch to introduce fertilizer was. Not sure if you can get stacks of 6+ without fertilizing, even now.
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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2015, 11:20:42 am »

Hmm, how do you combine plants so that brewers make a Booze[30] barrel instead of a Booze[5] barrel? I didn't think you could.

Looking at my booze pile all the barrels bar a few are holding <5 units of booze.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 12:27:01 pm »

You can't combine individual plants into stacks. But with skilled planters and/or fertilizing, harvesting can yield a stack of more than 1 plant. Brewers use one full stack (up to 6 plants) when brewing. If they have a stack of more than 6 plants, they split it into a stack of 6 plus a stack with the remainder, then brew the stack of 6.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2015, 12:28:57 pm »

I wish there was a way to designate what you want to be used for each.  Because I really prefer to make wooden large pots for food storage, but for liquor it doesnt really matter as much.  However my dwarves no matter what always seem to want to stick massive stacks of food into my barrels first and alcohol in the pots!  So frustrating sometimes.  The best way I have to get around it is to just never make barrels and get rid of them as quick as possible when I get them through trade and such, and make tons and tons and tons of pots. 

But it would be really nice if your kitchen and still had a toggle that you could tell it to use specifically pots or barrels or both for anything made out of that workshop.

would it not be possible to have a barrel stockpile, linked to the brewer to force your dwarfs to use barrels for booze?
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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 02:22:01 pm »

That should work, as long as you also have a stockpile of brewable plants linked to the still.
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2015, 10:53:40 pm »

I've played around with linking stockpiles but I seem to screw it up somehow every time.  I'll give this another shot next time I load up my fort and see if I can get it to work smoothly. 

Really though, this is my one problem with the game in that something like this shouldnt have to be so complicated just to designate a container.  A simple menu toggle either on the brewery workshop or in the kitchen menu just makes so much more sense. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2015, 11:49:28 pm »

I've played around with linking stockpiles but I seem to screw it up somehow every time.  I'll give this another shot next time I load up my fort and see if I can get it to work smoothly. 

Really though, this is my one problem with the game in that something like this shouldn't have to be so complicated just to designate a container.  A simple menu toggle either on the brewery workshop or in the kitchen menu just makes so much more sense.

The interface is a whole nother issue all together, but the issue of Urist McBrwer filling pots with booze and barrels with wheat should be alleviated if you manage it correctly. It is a very clunky system though.
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Re: barrels vs pots and the wiki
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2015, 03:43:13 pm »

There are bugs with barrels no matter what you do.

I've had a food stockpile set to accept from links only, and all links deleted, start to accept food from anywhere. I even created another food stockpile and linked it to the source (brewery), and this second stockpile would not get the food while the first did (direct from brewery). The only way to stop it was to delete the first stockpile entirely.

There are similar bugs with barrels to the well-known bins bug. Similar but different.
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