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Carolus

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Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« on: December 30, 2014, 04:18:23 pm »

First of all, I am playing with an outdated version because I downloaded TinyPirate's version (v.0.34) when I did his tutorial, but I am certain this isn't the issue.
The problem: I cannot encrust items. I have googled about it and sorted out the posibble causes.
The process: Starting to cut some gems (tried with raw green glass, obsidian, kimberlite), sorted out the crafts and large gems so in the linked stockpile I have only cut gems. My workshop is accessible (noted the "wall" on the right side). Also, there is dwarf for the job. So, I press "q" then select the gem I'd like to encrust with, the pressed "e", I've got three options "g" to encrust fgoods, "f" to encrust furniture and "a" to encrust ammo. Whatever I press nothing happens (I mean the options still visible, no item to the workshops crafting queue added). So what can be the problem?

EDIT: I have worked out, it can be done through the manager screen, but still weird that one cannot do it directly in the workshop menu.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 05:18:06 pm by Carolus »
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2014, 09:50:40 pm »

It will only take from linked stockpiles. Only. You'd need a linked finished goods stockpile to encrust things.
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2014, 04:15:56 am »

Yes, I'm aware of that. The issue is: nothing happens. I'll try to explain through the process. First, I made a bunch of cut green glass gems and some bonecrafts (they are in a stockpile linked to the jeweler's workshop). I gave the order to encrust with green glass gems finished goods (q->a, (choose greenglassgems)->pressed e, for encrust. Three options visible on the workshop menu encrust fgoods,funiture and ammo. Whatever I choose (I mean try to choose), the menu don't change there are still the three options (like, if I didn't choose). The goods and the gems in one linked stockpile. Noted the three non-passable tile on the right side of the workshop. The gems aren't large ones nor crafts. I have dwarfs designated as gemcutter and gemsetter. There isn't any job cancelations, because I am not able to select from the three mentioned options.
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2014, 10:44:38 am »

Do you have burrows in your fort? Those can block workshop jobs.

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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2014, 10:59:41 am »

Forget to mention, no, there aren't any burrows in my fort. Also, the problem isn't that I ordered the encrusting and I get some job cancelation, the thing is the menu is in some kind of frozen state (I cannot explain it better), however the game is running and everything is fine, excluding the encrusting.
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2014, 11:10:35 am »

Not even a panic burrow? The symptoms sounds like that bug. (able to issue jobs from the  manager, but not from the workshop)
If not, I am out of ideas.  :(

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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2014, 11:52:12 am »

It actually sounds like you're trying to order encrusting while no cut gems of the type are accessible. The workshop menu lists all "cutt-able" materials (highlit "C") and all materials for which cut gems are present (highlit "E"). If "E" is dark, there are either no cut gems of the type on the map, _or_ - and this is by far the most common issue - all cut gems of the type are currently in transit, i.e. they're being hauled around. Such hauling-blockage removes all affected gems/stones/glass types from the jewellers' workshop menu. Since one bin can hold well over 100 cut gems, whenever one gem gets hauled, half or all cut gems get blocked.

.34.x has an annoying interface bug where trying to encrust with a material that has "E" darkened out not only fails to assign the job but also half-hangs the workshop dialogue (you have to escape out of it).

Don't cut gems and encrust at the same time, hauling keeps interrupting and mass-cancelling encrustation jobs. And don't order encrusting when the "E" indicator in the material list is dark, it just doesn't work.
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2015, 05:28:01 am »

Thanks for the replies, but sadly it is bug then. Since I train my gemsetter with green glass (magma nearly at the surface and there is sand) I made a 10-tiles stockpile(accepting only raw glass and cut glass) to fill up with raw glass in one go (mostly because I have a light OCD, I like to keep things in order  :P). In this stockpile there isn't any bin. After the cutting the gems get back to this stockpile, but the crafts to a sperarated stockpile for trading. Now there are two stockpiles linked to the workshop (one is the aforementioned gem stockpile and the other is a continously modificated one so I can manage what will be encrusted). When everything is stand still (no bins, no hauling jobs for the freshly mined gems in the deep) I try to gave the order. See? Troubleshooting was done before I posted here, but as I mentioned in the opening post it's the v0.34.11 Dwarf Fortress.
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2015, 06:09:25 am »

Does the "green glass" entry show "E" in black or in white? For the jeweller's workshop dialogue, it doesn't matter if your fort has the gems, it matters what the interface menu displays. If black, it's just the known old (and presumably fixed in DF2014) "trying to encrust with missing material gets the workshop dialogue stuck" bug; the only question would be why it overlooks the material (assuming you _have_ unforbidden cut gems of the type that aren't currently tagged for hauling).
If your workshop dialogue gets stuck when the "E" is displayed in white, you stumbled over an unknown bug (but still not worth reporting without reproducing it in .40.23).

From my short trouble-shooting look at .34.11, stuck menus _only_ happen when you try to encrust with a blacked-out material, and materials only get blacked if you lack the cut gem or all samples are in transit. Stockpile links and burrows don't interfere with the menu.
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2015, 07:26:10 am »

I checked and it displays the "E" in white. So theoreticaly there are enough gems, the workshop acknowledge the gems but it doesn't work.

Another thing came to my mind: I searched tons of topics on google in connection with textile industry. Nearly in all posts the players complain, how the dwarfs "steal" the clothing made for trading. So my idea is: if you want to trade cloth-related goods, make ropes! Why? According to the wiki, the value of cloth-related goods calculated like this:
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Ropes can be decorated as well so if we make a rope with these attributes, the value of the rope is:
(20*2*5)+(10*2*1)+(10*2)+(1*20*4)+(10*2*5)+(1*20*5)=520  and of course the dwarves won't steal any ropes.
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Re: Encrusting problems (not the can't choose what to encrust one)
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2015, 08:22:12 am »

Ah, ok. That's a very non-standard behaviour. It doesn't normally occur, and i've encrusted thousands of items in .34.11, i would have noticed. If the manager order workaround works for you, that might be the only way to go.

Ropes are definitely a nice variant option for generating trade value, especially plant cloth ones with their 2x material value multiplier. Textiles in general can go quite crazy value-wise, because there can be so many jobs involved that may add quality (weave + dye + tailoring for the item itself, clothesmaking + dye again for embroidery).
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