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Magnumcannon

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Is it safe already?
« on: November 22, 2014, 09:54:10 pm »

So, i've been playing DF 40.13, since i know the changes on the thought system made the game, to some players, "virtually unplayable", because dwarfs get pissed of angry really quick and making them happy is a pain in the ass sorta hard. So, is it fixed already?
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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2014, 10:07:52 pm »

So, i've been playing DF 40.13, since i know the changes on the thought system made the game, to some players, "virtually unplayable", because dwarfs get pissed of angry really quick and making them happy is a pain in the ass sorta hard. So, is it fixed already?

14.16 had a problem with dorfs getting high and long-lived lvls of stress, the last patch seem to have fixed it and they rarely get problematic.
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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2014, 10:14:29 pm »

Latest version is completely playable.
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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2014, 04:44:32 pm »

It's "safe" for now!
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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2014, 04:50:27 pm »

You really shouldnt worry that much. Forts failing is half the fun after all and dealing with serious problems is the other half.
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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 04:13:52 pm »

0.40.15 was unplayable due to emo dwarves.

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0.40.16 seems fine.

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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2014, 04:46:15 pm »

at some point I was just making all my dwarves max happy whenever one of them got stressed because there was no going back. It doesn't seem to be a big issue with the most recent version, though. Dwarf Therapist is available for 40.19 but not dfhack yet.
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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2014, 07:14:51 am »

The emotion problems have been mostly solved.

DF40.18 :

I've got 180 dwarves, where only 1 single mason keeps getting depressed.
Noone else ever got a despression, or got severly stressed out.
The one mason just gets depressed, doesn't do anything.. and reverts back to stressed.

This has been going on, since I ordered my vampire mayor to attack a forbidden beast and died horribly. (+- year 1 and in year 4, 5 now)

I can't find anything in her description about her depression/stressed state though.
I assume it's because that social vampire and she doesn't have any family/close friends at all in relations.

Otherwise I only got a slighty stressed out dwarf once in a while.

(Seems that the military wasn't too happy after massacring a goblin siege, but they all get happy by master-sparring afterwards)
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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2014, 11:38:35 am »

I haven't had any invaders to spark a tantrum spiral but the only dwarf I've had go insane was a child that because of a glitch was dropped one tile away from a hospital bed and ignored and just sat there crying about his major injury until he lost it.

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Re: Is it safe already?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2014, 11:50:52 am »

That's an old bug that's apparently still not fixed - wounded dwarfs can end up unconscious but not resting. Since they're not resting, they're not treated, but they're unconscious + wounded, so remain unconscious indefinitely and never reset their job. You can force a job reset by building a cage trap under the dwarf, then releasing them after they've been caged. Since they're unconscious, they'll be caught as soon as the trap is loaded.

On topic: dangerous unhappiness now generally takes the form of stress, and the building and removal of stress usually happens over fairly long times. It takes months to years for a dwarf to become notably stressed, and it will take months to years to stabilise them again. At least that's the process i've seen with moderate-impact (brown and yellow messages) stressors. Mood decay can probably be a good deal faster when a slew of "red" messages crops up, like deaths of sentients or getting involved in combat; but even then it should no longer be: one well-liked dwarf dies peacefully of old age -> everyone instantly flips out; 40% of the population commit suicide, 30% make legendary dwarf leather thongs of the remaining 30%.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2014, 11:57:57 am by Larix »
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