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[CatKate]

Hey guys!

Another noob problem here ...

I am encountering a ramp problem:

I have the following arrangement:

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Layer #0:
L01 OOOOOOOOO
L02 OOOVVVOOO
L03 OOO...OOO
L04 OOO...OOO
L05 OOO...OOO
L06 OOOOOOOOO
and so on

Layer #-1:
L01 XXXXXXXXX
L02 XXX^^^XXX
L03 XXX,,,XXX
L04 XXX,,,XXX
L05 XXX,,,XXX
L06 XXX+++XXX
L07 XXX+++XXX
L08 XXX+++XXX
L09 XXX,,,XXX
L10 XXX,,,XXX
L11 XXX,,,XXX
L12 XXX,,,XXX
L13 XXX,,,XXX
L14 XXX,,,XXX
L15 XXXVVVXXX
L16 XXXXXXXXX
L17 XXXXXXXXX
L18 XXXXXXXXX
L19 XXXXXXXXX
L20 XXXXXXXXX

Layer #-2:
L01 XXXXXXXXX
L02 XXXXXXXXX
L03 XXXXXXXXX
L04 XXXXXXXXX
L05 XXXXXXXXX
L06 XXX^^^XXX
L07 XXX,,,XXX
L08 XXX,,,XXX
L09 XXX,,,XXX
L10 XXX,,,XXX
L11 XXX,,,XXX
L12 XXX,,,XXX
L13 XXX,,,XXX
L14 XXX,,,XXX
L15 XXX^^^XXX
L16 XXX,,,XXX
L17 XXX,,,XXX
L18 XXX,,,XXX
L19 XXX,,,XXX
L20 XXX,,,XXX

O: native ground
X: native wall
.: empty space
V: ramp down
^: ramp up
,: loam floor
+: constructed floor


Here my problems:
#1: My depot is beyond L20. It is not accessible. According to the legend, the three-tile shaft leading to it is not accessible beginning from line #01. Only the middle row is marked as accessible. Why? Shaft is three tiles wide, ramps are three tiles wide ... I don't get it.
{Edit: Before you read on: I found the trouble with the depot, it was a stupid one-tile-access to the actual room ... laughably!}
#2: My dwarves have stopped moving between "inside", i.e. beyond line #15, and "outside", meaning the true outside and the shaft until line #14. Why? The ramp should be navigable!
#3: Okay, the ramp in line #15 is not THAT navigable - the middle ramp reads as "unusable". Why is that? And: Even if it unusable, my dwarfes should be happy with the ramps close to the wall which do NOT read as unusable ... And the way for the wagons is obstructed even before that ... I don't get it ...
{Edit: Interestingly: Although the ramp is "unusable", the depot is still accessible ... Weird ...}
Thanks for your insights!

Cheers,
Cat

[Sirbug]

Ramp needs to be adjusted to the wall to let creatures (and wagons) pass in this direction.

I saw people making exceptions, though, but this is how this usually is.

[Absentia]

Up ramps need a wall behind them to function, and the wall needs to be in the direction the dwarf is moving. The middle one reads unusable because there's no wall next to it, and the outer ones are only "usable" for walking into the wall behind them.

You can either build a wall on line 14, layer -2, or replace the ramps on line 15 with up stairs and build down stairs above them on layer -1. (Stairs will block wagon access, of course)

[Ionizer]

1. When viewing "Depot Access," you only need a single tile being "Accessible."  A single accessible tile means all eight tiles around it are also accessible, because a wagon is a three by three object, but the game only looks for the center tile.  As long as you have a single tile-wide "Accessible" line (possibly right angle only?) from your depot to the map edge, wagons can get in.  If the middle row is accessible all the way to the surface, wagons can get through (assuming the surface isn't choked with trees or walls or anything).

2. Ramps need to have a wall "behind" them for dwarves to move up them.  If you want your dwarves to use the ramps on line 15, you need to build walls on line 14, layer -2.  Alternatively, you can deconstruct the floors on line 6, layer -1, since those are blocking the ramps on line 6, layer -2. 

3. The game says the "outer" ramps on line 15, layer -2 are usable because they have walls east/west of them, thus they are usable to move upwards to the east/west (except there are walls in those tiles, so they aren't, the game may think they are, though, even if they aren't).  The "inner" ramp on line 15 is completely unusable, because it isn't connected to any walls.  Wagons can (for some reason) move up and down ramps not connected to walls (thus why your Depot is accessible), but nothing else (that can't fly) can.

Everything can be fixed by building walls on Line 14, Layer -2.

EDIT: Ninja'd...

[CatKate]

Okay guys, great answers, thank you very much!