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[jocan2003]

Sooo i have been massivly playing crusader king 2 with the game of throne mod and... i LOVED it, managing your dynasty while trying to increase your power and warring on the side. What i loved about the mod is the expansion on the *political* side, setting plots, converting ennemy court member to your cause to help you backstab them, kidnap and stuff like that, im looking for a game with similar game mecanics where you have to manage a *familly, group, whatever you call it* with random element, political intrigue and stuff like that.

If possible not set in modern area, feudal really hitched a sweet spot for me but i believe any other kind would be good to try. I also LOVED the new diplomacy system in that new star ruler 2 game.

Any ideas?

[Retropunch]

I'm also a big fan of that kind of thing, but unfortunately there's just not much about other than other paradox games. Things like King of the Dragon Pass have similar elements, but not really on the same kinda scale.

As far as just general diplomacy it's a tricky one in games too. I really feel it's the most severely neglected part of modern 4x/strat games. There's such a lot that could be done to make it more interesting, but instead it's usually 'declare war or give gift'.

[aenri]

The Guild 2 is the only thing I can remember right now from top of my head. But it is much more focused on dynasty building and not on empire-building like CK2 is.

[BFEL]

As far as just general diplomacy it's a tricky one in games too. I really feel it's the most severely neglected part of modern 4x/strat games. There's such a lot that could be done to make it more interesting, but instead it's usually 'declare war or give gift'.

Yes there's never any opportunity to give your allies the gift of war...

[Eduardo X]

Somebody on the forums is developing Imperia, a space "5x game," which incorporates some CK2 style stuff.