Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Urist McShaft]

My last few forts were just not ready in time for the first invasion.
I got lucky this time and got my initial walls and drawbridge up before the goblins came.

Bridge was raised and everyone seemed fine as the goblins kind of danced around the perimeter.
As one of the squads neared my southern wall, there was a freakout.  Animals and dwarves alike, shooting out of my courtyard, walls be damned.
They were hunted down and killed.  Odd thing was, one of the goblins made it inside anyway.

Am I seeing climbing at work here?  A bug maybe?
Normally, I make the walls two units deep , with the outer layer 2 units high(The highest layer is constructed fortifications).  That is what I was working on when they showed up.
I could use some advice on defense now that sieges happen properly.  I usually have 10-16 dwarves by the time I get my first invasion.

[therahedwig]

If your walls are made out of rough stone, they'll climb more easily, blocks less so, and smoothed natural walls are near imposible to climb.

[Getix Kain]

I've seen a Werebeast jumping a wall tile (constructed with stone block).

[greycat]

Animals and dwarves alike, shooting out of my courtyard, walls be damned.

Were these walls constructed in version 0.40.07?  Did they have the "Unknown material" bug?

[Ornstein]

In paranoia, I habitually roof my outdoor structures as well as cavern forays.

While this takes longer, it prevents the threat of climbers now in addition to fliers. In order to make it happen fast enough in time for the early attacks, every dwarf inevitably gets drafted into the mason profession until the fortress can be sealed.

[Urist McShaft]

This save was entirely from .08 - I reloaded and managed to survive.
I did not know about roofing structures, so I may do that.

Above the cave part of my entrance, siegers still harass me.

[Ornstein]

It's usually most efficient to construct a staircase to the roof level and the build the floor out from there. Once completed, build a stairway from the outside and deconstruct the top stairs, replacing them with a floor. You can leave the stairs or deconstruct them, since if sealed properly it won't matter if they are on the roof or not.

If someone has a better method than this, feel free to share it.

[Mohreb el Yasim]

will creatures be able to climb a structure like this:

Code: (side view) [Select]

       ▓▓▓
enemy=> ▓ => fortress
        ^
        walls in a T section


[Ornstein]

Hmm, I have no idea. I can test it with Cats, who are by default, legendary climbers. and if a Cat cannot climb it, then I think it would be safe to say that neither could a goblin.

[Loci]

It's usually most efficient to construct a staircase to the roof level and the build the floor out from there. Once completed, build a stairway from the outside and deconstruct the top stairs, replacing them with a floor. You can leave the stairs or deconstruct them, since if sealed properly it won't matter if they are on the roof or not.

If someone has a better method than this, feel free to share it.

Build an up-stair in place of one of the exterior wall tiles, and a down-stair above. Build one or more retracting bridges as a roof. Deconstruct the down-stair, then the up-stair, then build a wall there.

will creatures be able to climb a structure like this:

Code: (side view) [Select]

       ▓▓▓
enemy=> ▓ => fortress
        ^
        walls in a T section


Yes. Toady said the ceiling-to-floor transition wasn't yet implemented at one point, so something like this might work (at least temporarily):

Code: (side view) [Select]

       _ _
enemy=> ▓ => fortress
       
    _ = floor

Fortifications seem to be proof against climbing, so this design would be more functional:

Code: (side view) [Select]

       # #
enemy=> ▓ => fortress
         
    # = fortification

Just don't build a down-stair on top of the wall; creatures may be able to climb through diagonally if you do.

[dexxy]

can they get through a locked hatch?

if not, make your entrance be stairs down from the surface, put a hatch over each stairs, and lock them if enemies get close.

same for the roof, just put hatches over the stairs and lock them.

[Kaos]

can they get through a locked hatch?

if not, make your entrance be stairs down from the surface, put a hatch over each stairs, and lock them if enemies get close.

same for the roof, just put hatches over the stairs and lock them.

not in if you make an "U" bend so the outside can only access the hatch from bellow, from the top a building destroyer can break it and a thieve can pick it...

[celem]

It's usually most efficient to construct a staircase to the roof level and the build the floor out from there. Once completed, build a stairway from the outside and deconstruct the top stairs, replacing them with a floor. You can leave the stairs or deconstruct them, since if sealed properly it won't matter if they are on the roof or not.

If someone has a better method than this, feel free to share it.

That method is only best if you want a stair up the inside afterwards anyway.  If you just want a hollow tower or box or whatever then begin with the staircase outside, roof from there.  Can just leave it afterwards as you say