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Deus_Vult

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Issues of invasions and ethics
« on: July 22, 2014, 06:13:41 pm »

Many questions incoming:

1. I created a small world, started fortress mode, and here's the issue:
Wherever I pointed the embark marker, the "Neighbors" tab showed me that there are Goblins and Elves - and I'm "at war" with them - there was a word "war" marked in red near them.
First of all, I also sometimes saw "---" mark near civs,, usually Goblins,also in red. What does it mean?
Secondly, even that I am at war with Elves, there's no war: they send caravans to my fortress, and no military action whatsoever. Why? Is that because there aren't many of them left alive (I guess around ~120)?
Thidrly: even though there are lots of gobbos, and they do attack other fortresses, according to my liason, none of them came to attack me. There was one band, but that's it - I guess they were bandits. Is that a bug?
And finally: someone on the forum actually said that the time when gobbos come for your fortress depends on its distance from the gobbo civ. i.e. it's not necessary to be "neighbors" with them, just wait a bit more? Because in this version, the "Neighbor area" is way too small.

2.Here's another one: Ethics. I've read an article about it and was left amazed. So, ethics regulate the reasoning and the occurrences of war between civs. But - are there any other function in them, aside from the EAT_SAPIENT, which makes elves eat others?
For example, if I create a race with positive relation towards slavery, are they going to take actual slaves? At least in legends mode? Or, if I set some petty matter to be "Capital Offense", will I see people executed for it?
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quarague

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Re: Issues of invasions and ethics
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2014, 04:00:09 am »

for the goblin invasions, these depend mostly on
- the distance/ number/ strength of goblin civilizations
- the wealth and size of your fortress
- other attractive plunder targets in the vicinity
you said you have seen some goblins around, for how long have you run the fortress? it is quite possible that you only get invaded once every couple of years

for the general ethics: I think the current default ethics make it so that usually the humans, elves and dwarfs are mostly at peace with each other and the goblins are at war with everyone. I believe you could mess with the ethics of say the elves so that humans and dwarfs will usually be at war with them, you could even try to make them goblin friends, but that would probably also require changing goblin ethics. You could also make some changes in the dwarf ethics that would change behaviour for your dwarf fortress, say change eat sapient to acceptable and enjoy goblin roasts.
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Niyazov

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Re: Issues of invasions and ethics
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 10:05:51 am »

A red line means that a civ will always be hostile to you even without a declared war. I'm pretty sure that goblins are always hostile to dwarves, although in older editions there were certain circumstances in which you could get goblin caravans.
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