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Pnx

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Choosing College
« on: April 29, 2014, 10:28:32 pm »

So I'm looking to transfer out of a community college into a 4 year college. I'm thinking of maybe getting into an Engineering degree of some variety (I'm thinking perhaps electrical or mechanical, though I'm eyeing up biomedical with suspicion). Though I do plan on hopefully studying some programming, mathematics, and physics regardless of degree.

The thing is I'm not entirely sure how to pick out a college to go to. One thing that worries me is that with my community college experience... the teachers were not always very good at teaching the subject, in fact one teacher in particular was absolutely terrible. So with that in mind I'd prefer it if I went to a college with a minimum terrible teaching experiences, though I'm not sure how to get that.

I'd also like to know what qualities I should really be looking for in a college.

EDIT: I would seriously be grateful for any advice anyone can offer, I feel sort of lost right now.
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Re: Choosing College
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2014, 10:12:19 am »

1. Price.
2. Course offerings.
3. Location.
4. Everything else.

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Re: Choosing College
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2014, 10:20:59 am »

A lot of factors are needed before any sort of fruitful discussion is going to mature.
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Re: Choosing College
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2014, 12:20:55 pm »

A lot of factors are needed before any sort of fruitful discussion is going to mature.
Which factors in particular?
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Re: Choosing College
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2014, 12:33:03 pm »

Which factors in particular?

Where do you live? Where are you planning to put your degree to use? For example, on the US east coast there are a number of doors that can only be opened if you go to the specific named university that the people guarding the door went to. Whereas on the west coast, nobody really cares. For that matter, are you even in the US? "Land of Ooo" doesn't tell us much.

How much are you planning to spend? If you have a $50,000/yr budget and will be paying cash in advance, people might make different recommendations than if you have a $15,000/yr budget and will be going into debt to do it.

What are your goals? What do you expect to get out of college? You say you're "thinking of maybe" getting into engineering. Or maybe something totally else and unrelated. So even suggesting a school particularly well known for a specific type of degree isn't an option.

Basically you're saying "where should I go and what should I look for" and that's all the information we have to work with. To which, my answer is, once again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_school#Rankings

Playboy ranked West Virginia University as the #1 party school in the country. Sounds like a good choice to me.

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Re: Choosing College
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2014, 01:33:08 pm »

If you're worried about teacher competency, I'd look for a school with an engineering department that's done some impressive stuff. I'm assuming that engineering professors do engineering in their spare time like science professors do science?

I feel like a professor that's a good in their field has a pretty good shot at teaching in their field well. That said, schools that have done a lot of impressive things can get pretty expensive. I'd say your best shot is to look for a big public university.
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Re: Choosing College
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2014, 06:00:34 pm »

As LordBucket said what you are planning on doing with your degree also has a big effect. For example where I'm at there are two different schools that are big on Engineering, ASU and NAU. The difference however, lies in how they teach it. ASU tends to do lots of research work, and tends to teach that way (research assistant positions, etc.). NAU, on the other hand, does lots of business engineering and teaches you to do that (working with clients, designing a new product and working with the business department to open a new business).

If cash is tight you might also want to look in-state tuitions vs. out of state. I know for most universities the in-state tuition can be several thousand dollars cheaper then out of state.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2014, 05:49:52 pm »

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Ok, that makes sense, let me clear a few things up for you then.

So I live in Ohio, I'm probably going to go to a university in state, because colleges within Ohio force their credits to transfer as equivalent to the other college's courses. However I'm not above going to a college out of state.

In terms of finances, my father pledged to cover my college costs "within reason", though he's been very futzy about what "within reason" is. I suspect maybe 10-15k a year? He's very reluctant to talk about money issues... which makes this really difficult.

In terms of what I want out of college. I want to learn things, I want to learn lots of things, I want to take on challenges, I want to do things, build stuff, be involved in research and development, and maybe, just maybe, do those "great things" people always used to tell me I'd do as a child.

And I'm sort of worried that if I make a poor choice of college I won't be offered the same opportunities to do that sort of stuff.

Does that help?
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Re: Choosing College
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2014, 09:09:52 pm »

Basically the way things are, the exact choice of college isn't going to make or break you, it's what you do for yourself. Sure, there's a difference between something like MIT and Case Western Reserve, but that difference doesn't matter if you get into either and proceed to do nothing. The factors of future success is becoming less and less dependent on a "name" that's listed on top of your degree. It's your network of people, your work resume, how well you come off, your productivity: things like those. The thing is, if you are motivated enough, you will find and make your own opportunities for advancement and development, irregardless of where you are.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2014, 02:03:51 pm »

Look up colleges in Ohio. If you want to learn lots of things, maybe pick bigger schools with bigger engineering departments that have a huge variety of classes and programs. If you want to do research, find a school that's actively doing engineering research. If you have a field you want to get into, find important businesses or whatever in that field, then look at colleges in the same city.

College can definitely give you opportunities, less from the learning and more from the vast amount of resources it gives you. Most people do not use these resources. But professors can be people with established careers in the field you're interested in, with advice and experience and connections. If you want to do research, you can probably do research as part of your degree. You'll graduate with already published work. Probably nothing crazy impressive, but you're way more noticeable than someone with nothing. And getting noticed is a great way to get opportunities. Half of doing great things is being able to do it, but the other half is actually having the opportunity to do it in the first place.

A four year degree is pretty boring nowadays, but can actually get more than that out of college if you're proactive.
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2014, 11:49:26 am »

Here's a tip on how life works: You have to solve problems. It's not impossible to make $50k a month. I've met plenty of people making that much money by selling cookies, selling drinks, selling retarded cosmetics that probably don't even work. 95% of people can make a million dollars from the food industry within 3-5 years... but you'll end up working long hours with minimal profit margins and high risk.

Most people think it's about getting a good degree, then getting a good job, then saving up the money from that job and starting a business. Bullshit. But most people don't know how bad this advice is, because it's how they've survived.

You should be aiming to start a business with no money. A lot of business fail because they start off with too much money without the founder having the skillset to do it with little money. What you want for the long run is to create a product that nobody else can do. Your focus in life is to become an expert in something - the rarer your expertise is, the higher your profit margins, the more you make from it.

Go to college for the soft skills. I did engineering. Tech gets obsolete fast. But the soft skills, the organizational skills, work rate you learn in college lasts forever. The best colleges are heavily theoretical, but so are the worst.

Think of your degree not as a recommendation to into a job. Think of it as useless as a degree in philosophy. Soft skills. You're in college to learn to solve problems. Take the hardest college and the hardest course you can get into. In the real world, you won't have the luxury of failing to solve certain problems, so mess up while you're in college, even if it means taking a course that you'll possibly fail. Learn to network in college; find a college where interesting people go, who are in a field you want to work in.

The real question is - what kinds of problems do you want to spend your life solving? Pick one answer, it can be anything, and learn to stick to it until you make your first million.

If medical equipment in your part of the world sucks, maybe work on biomedical. If you want to build exoskeletons, go for mechatronics. If you want to answer some really difficult questions, aim for something more theoretical, like physics or math. If you want to fight injustice, take law. Whatever it is, look for a problem to solve, which nobody is solving.

This is a really important question, because engineering can be brutal. You'll need a very strong internal drive to punch through that willpower barrier. From what I've seen out of a good college, half the class barely manage to pass, the other half make about a C average, and 1-2 guys get full marks. Those full marks guys know what they're doing and why they're doing it. If you get past the bachelor's stage, you'll be questioning yourself and why you're doing it almost constantly.

Don't think from an angle of "which job pays the most", "which job makes me look coolest/smartest". High paying jobs (e.g. oil/mining) mean a lot of very smart competition and a lot of office politics. Cool jobs (e.g. game dev) means high competition, competing with smarter people who can work 14 hours a day. Looking smart is foolish - while you're stuck working on your PhD, your exclassmate will be off building the next Microsoft or IKEA. I don't oppose PhDs but most people who take them do so simply because they want to know everything, without knowing what to do with the knowledge.


Then once you get on to getting a job, do so with apprenticeship in mind. You'll need a mentor to get anywhere, college gives you relatively little to go on. Heck, the best reason for postgrad is being able to pick your own mentor.

Work with the motive of being an apprentice, even if it pays a little less than some other jobs. If you're not learning anything, switch jobs. You should take a few more risks at work, use it as a safety net to do what you plan to do. If you bring enough passion into a job, you'll get promoted quickly and see how things work at a higher level. Eventually use that knowledge to cut off from your mentor and do your own thing.. but don't burn bridges with your previous boss/job.
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