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Sutremaine

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Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« on: December 15, 2013, 07:15:28 pm »
I'm looking for an English name that can have more than one translation into dwarven depending on where you split up the name. I thought I'd found one with Urnslaughter (urn-slaughter and urns-laughter), but the dwarven language has no word for laughter.

It seems odd that dwarves can have slaughter without laughter. Perhaps their joy in it is a quiet one.

A fortress name in Dwarven that has more than one English translation will also do, if necessary.
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 07:34:28 pm »
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

You have inspired me to go a-hunting for possible combinations! Words that start/end with "s" and "ed" that remain words when their beginning/endings are removed are the way I'm searching to start. I've found 13 potentials so far for beginning-[s] words, and once I've reached the end of the file I will crosscheck them against the actual possible english words to translate into Dwarven.

Edit: There is no dwarven word for liver. How--

... or pray...

Or team, which explains their poor military performance.

Edit2: Hmmm. Plurals aren't in the file. What're the mechanics behind how DF handles plurals in translation...?

Edit3: Words beginning with S that are words even when the S is removed and those words are in the DF dictionary.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2013, 08:04:15 pm by Lielac »
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2013, 08:43:43 pm »
Hey, I like s/word and s/hovel. :)
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Quote from: fivex on March 07, 2011, 02:37:19 am
I am trying to make chickens lay bees as eggs. So far it only produces a single "Tame Small Creature" when a hen lays bees.
Quote from: Loud Whispers on July 22, 2012, 03:32:08 pm
Honestly at the time, I didn't see what could go wrong with crowding 80 military Dwarves into a small room with a necromancer for the purpose of making bacon.

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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 09:36:43 pm »
Here's some, all from language_DWARF.txt.

Hearth Owl / Heart Howl, Heart Hill / Hearth Ill, etc.
Fin Drip / Find Rip, Fin Drain / Find Rain, etc.
Man Year / Many Ear, Touch Year / Touchy Ear, etc.
New Trim/ Newt Rim, Pain Trim, Paint Rim, etc.
Pit Chill, Pitch Ill
Bar Boar / Barb Oar
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 10:05:24 pm »
Orbeagles.

It can be either orb eagles, or beagles.
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 10:24:26 pm »
Quote from: cyberTripping on December 15, 2013, 10:05:24 pm
Orbeagles.

It can be either orb eagles, or beagles.

HOLD STILL, YOU

Beagles isn't a word in the Dwarven dictionary anyway, so TPBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2013, 01:04:38 am »
Kingear.  Can be either Kin-gear (Ellestolon) or King-ear (Etarrir).

EDIT: I've found a veritable treasure trove of possibilities with bar and barb.  To wit!

Barbear (bar-bear/barb-ear)
Barboar (bar-boar/barb-oar)
Barboat (bar-boat/barb-oat)
Barbrain (bar-brain/barb-rain)
Barbright (bar-bright/barb-right)
Barbrim (bar-brim/barb-rim)
Barbutter (bar-butter/barb-utter)

EDIT 2: Due to the prevalence of words that have variants with the letter S trailing at the end, there are a lot of words that start with that letter that are good candidates.

scold
scream
shell
ship
slime
smile
spit
stalk
star
steal
stick
strap
sunder
swine
sword

 Any word that has a plural form just trailing in S can be used with these.  Ex. Orbstick could be Orb-stick or Orbs-tick.  This comically also includes a number of words above, so you can have brain-twisters like Swordswords (Swords-words/Sword-swords).
« Last Edit: December 16, 2013, 12:02:34 pm by SkyRender »
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2013, 12:53:55 pm »
A quick python script tells me these are all the possible combinations (unless I messed up and there are more):

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Unfortunately it looks like no word pair shares this property in both English and Dwarven (nor Elven or Human). However, Goblin has one pair that matches in both English and Goblin and that's:

gravel over    \    grave lover
asten ox    \    aste nox




« Last Edit: December 16, 2013, 01:06:26 pm by Erofire »
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2013, 06:02:28 pm »
You blinded me with Science!
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2013, 09:19:14 pm »
I really liked "beer age \ bee rage", seems like there's a tale of the rise and fall of a fortress there.
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Re: Looking for a certain kind of fortress name
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2013, 09:21:35 pm »
While that is a fairly clever method, the only problem is that the language_DWARF file does not include plural forms.  As I noted, there's a wealth of possible plural terms that can be turned into these sorts of fortress names too.

EDIT: Here's a (mostly) comprehensive list of words that have a plural form that just adds S to the end and can be used as a front compound for a fortress name, meaning they can be combined with any of the S-starting words in my last post as the trailing word (or their non-S-starting equivalent word plus the plural form of one of these words) to make one of these conundrum-names.

age
ale
ape
baker
bee
beer
bin
bird
blaze
boat
bolt
bone
brim
button
cream
cup
drain
dump
dung
elder
finder
gut
haunt
helm
home
inn
lake
lard
leper
muffin
orb
pad
rock
scab
shell
sister
skirt
skull
slaughter
snake
sneer
snot
soil
soul
spike
spoil
spoon
spring
stick
strap
stunt
style
sun
supper
tick
tomb
tome
trick
twine
wheel
whisper
dream
tube
wealth
realm
plane
kingdom
empire
dune
puppet
insight
union
base
ray
pine
craft
lamb
toast
roar
yell
word
bell
heaven
sense
right
nation
« Last Edit: December 16, 2013, 09:51:41 pm by SkyRender »
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