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[Enemy post]

Oh, OUR morality. Well then, here's human morality:
   [ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
   [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS]
   [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:APPALLING]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:SHUN]
   [ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
   [ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
   [ETHIC:LYING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
   [ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

Oh, OUR morality. Well then, here's human morality:
   [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]

[Enemy post]

Oh, OUR morality. Well then, here's human morality:
   [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]

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[towerdude]

I don't know why cannibalism is unthinkable, our species had no regard or what so ever for eating other intelligent creatures (chimpanzies and gorillas were {and at some places are} considered a delicacy). Also eating other humans during continent wide famines was acceptable (but appaling).

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In game what is the difference between these?

[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]

and

[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]

[Keldane]

In game what is the difference between these?

[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]

and

[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]
[/quote]

I believe the first indicates that they consider other intelligent races as a viable food source, while the second is "Well, he's dead anyway. Let's not let the body go to waste."

[AutomataKittay]

In game what is the difference between these?

[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]

and

[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]

I believe the first indicates that they consider other intelligent races as a viable food source, while the second is "Well, he's dead anyway. Let's not let the body go to waste."

Close, the second's like eating the heart of your enemies after you've killed them. Or liver, depending on which organ the culture values the most. I think it only applies in worldgen, currently. The first's eat anything smart, pretty much.

At least that's what I recalls, modders with experience in entities would know more.

[Keldane]

Close, the second's like eating the heart of your enemies after you've killed them. Or liver, depending on which organ the culture values the most. I think it only applies in worldgen, currently. The first's eat anything smart, pretty much.

At least that's what I recalls, modders with experience in entities would know more.

You kind of corrected me by saying the same thing I did in a different way. =P

The main reason for other races going to war with elves is their habit of eating the bodies of people they kill in battle. The elves have [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE], which is what causes this behaviour.

[towerdude]

I think elves should eat their dead as a form of funeral (some human cultures do that today). It would be fitting for them story wise.

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By the way do you think cannibalism is morally wrong in every situation?

[Torrasque666]

No. While I feel that cannibalism as a form of sustenance is wrong, cannibalism in a form of ritual is not. After all, it used to be thought that to gain an opponent's courage, you'd eat their heart, for wisdom, their brain. Then again, you killed them, so obviously you're braver and smarter so I don't know why you'd want theirs...

Right to the point: As a way to survive, yes its wrong. As a way to preform a ritual(preferably a funeral rite), yes.

[towerdude]

No. While I feel that cannibalism as a form of sustenance is wrong, cannibalism in a form of ritual is not. After all, it used to be thought that to gain an opponent's courage, you'd eat their heart, for wisdom, their brain. Then again, you killed them, so obviously you're braver and smarter so I don't know why you'd want theirs...

Right to the point: As a way to survive, yes its wrong. As a way to preform a ritual(preferably a funeral rite), yes.

There are three reasons for cannibalism: culture, survival and mental illness.

And two kinds of cannibalism: necro-cannibalism (the already dead), homicidal cannibalism (self explanatory).

This means there are six types of cannibalism all togeather.

I am against all of the six types of cannibalism.

The cultural (the two types are killing and eating enemy, mostly the liver, hearth, lung; or eating dead relatives) cannibalism is wrong because it is immoral and based on superstition and dangerous for the society (humanity).

Cannibalism out of mental illness (any kind of cannibalism in situations where it is not cultural and not for survival) is wrong obviously, because it is immoral and dangerous for the society.

And I only permit one type of cannibalism in extreme conditions. That is necro-cannibalism, for survival. Only in cases where you face starvation. If you can survive without eating the bodies of the already dead, then it is wrong aswell.

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If you consider that in survival mode your starving character eats anything edible, then this means that for dwarves, elves and humans, that type is also acceptable in certain conditions.

Regarding other types, the elves practice cultural cannibalism. Since cannibalism for goblins is a personal matter, this means it is not cultural, but out of mental illness.

[Torrasque666]

The cultural (the two types are killing and eating enemy, mostly the liver, hearth, lung; or eating dead relatives) cannibalism is wrong because it is immoral and based on superstition and dangerous for the society (humanity).

Cannibalism out of mental illness (any kind of cannibalism in situations where it is not cultural and not for survival) is wrong obviously, because it is immoral and dangerous for the society.

Word of advice, never claim something is wrong due to being immoral. Morals are subjective. What may seem immoral to one culture, like a caste system, is perfectly acceptable with the mores of another culture. Or for a better example, communism and capitalism use different economic mores, and see the other one as immoral.

[Loud Whispers]

Indeed. You judge by ethics not by morals, or else all that needs be to justify something as moral is to acquire enough people to convince someone it is. Morality is whichever insanity we have assured ourselves is true.

[Kamamura]

To OP - your friend is a douchbag. Most of the regimes killed masses of people, before it was Mongols, then Brits, then Communists, and today Americans are killing people by hundreds of thousands and your friend does not seem to care.  The whole success of Europe and later America is built on heaps and heaps of corpses from the colonial era.

[ƧƔℳƂỠⱠ ƜȺℕ]

Communism isn't actually a bad thing. The only thing wrong with communism is that it's corruptible... just like any other political system. Socialist governments have killed million of people, and so has capitalist ones.

Now if you’ll take a look at the texts of Communism, nowhere will you find anyone say “By the way, you should totally purge entire sections of your population”, yet nevertheless, it cannot be denied that millions are dead at the hands of “Communists”.

That’s “Communists” in quotation marks- you see, mass murder reflects on the ideals of Communism in about the same way that the Spanish Inquisition reflects the ideals of Christianity. Let’s face it, people will use any justification for their actions. The men who killed in the name of Communism only used Communism as a facade for their own agendas.

People kill people- that’s the sad truth. Communism has nothing to do with it.

[Volfgarix]

DF dwarves rather doesn't live in communistic system, on peasant level it's rather feudal monarchy merged with communism - dwarven sense of duty and constant danger of goblin attack/megabeast helps here a lot.
Anyway DF isn't fully developed, so dwarves at this moment acts just like machines - Work, sleep, sit on meeting hall, drink, get mad due to wife death, become happy because of eating in legendary dining hall. If dwarves will get a mcuh more personality  and intelligence, some evil dwarves will show up here.

Communism on giant scale never happened - it's utopia. Evil people would just abuse the system. However Soviet Union, a far leftwing country with one man as absolute ruler, existed, and it was a shit.

Communism - small communities.
Capitalism/monarchy - countries.