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Afghani84

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Quick question about taming
« on: July 19, 2013, 03:26:51 pm »

I've read in the wiki that it depends on the pet value how long it will take to tame a certain animal. Makes sense... but since I have never tamed an animal before, I have no clue what timespan we are talking about here.
In my case, I want to tame an alligator and my trainer is not skilled (dabbling). After the first session, the alligator was "Trained" (and still is) but after that one time I have not been able to get the trainer to go on with training. It's been over a month already...
Is that normal? I mean, at some point the alligator will go turn back to "semi-wild" and then it will be trained again to "Trained"...but shouldn't there be visible progress at some point? Am I doing something wrong?

I have the pasture and animal training zone overlapping each other and animal training labor is activated but nothing comes up...
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Re: Quick question about taming
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2013, 05:38:50 pm »

That's perfectly normal in my experiences, an animal trainer will only train animals once they revert to semi-wild or when they are set to become war/hunting animals. The better a trainer is the better the animal is trained, which is why yours was only trained as opposed to *trained*, and an animal's training levels will slowly degrade back to semi-wild, or even fully wild if left alone for a sufficient time, even if they were trained by a legendary trainer.

Wild-born animals themselves cannot become fully tamed, however their children can be, though it may take a generation or two before one will be born pre-tamed.
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Re: Quick question about taming
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2013, 06:25:16 pm »

Wild-born animals themselves cannot become fully tamed, however their children can be, though it may take a generation or two before one will be born pre-tamed.
interesting. that explains a lot! so they just have to multiply now...
thanks for the quick answer!
« Last Edit: July 19, 2013, 06:29:32 pm by Afghani84 »
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Re: Quick question about taming
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2013, 09:29:17 pm »

I mean, at some point the alligator will go turn back to "semi-wild" and then it will be trained again to "Trained"...but shouldn't there be visible progress at some point?
As your animal trainers get better you'll see higher training levels. These higher training levels don't do anything by themselves, but they do extend the time it takes for the training to be forgotten. Training a wild-born adult creature is an ongoing process -- the animal will never be fully tame. Its offspring will be born with the training level of their mother, and if you train these offspring before they grow to adulthood they'll become fully tame. Any offspring of a mother listed as Tame will also be Tame, and no training at all will be necessary.
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I am trying to make chickens lay bees as eggs. So far it only produces a single "Tame Small Creature" when a hen lays bees.
Honestly at the time, I didn't see what could go wrong with crowding 80 military Dwarves into a small room with a necromancer for the purpose of making bacon.

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Re: Quick question about taming
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2013, 12:51:11 pm »

As a quick tip, a lot of the more interesting creatures have bugs or quirks that prevent full domestication. Dragons, for example, will never lay fertile eggs which makes generational taming pointless. It'd be a good idea to give the magmawiki a glance when you find a new creature; check raws for [CHILD:X] where X is equal to the number of years it takes for the creature to mature.
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Re: Quick question about taming
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2013, 01:16:08 pm »

That's perfectly normal in my experiences, an animal trainer will only train animals once they revert to semi-wild or when they are set to become war/hunting animals. The better a trainer is the better the animal is trained, which is why yours was only trained as opposed to *trained*, and an animal's training levels will slowly degrade back to semi-wild, or even fully wild if left alone for a sufficient time, even if they were trained by a legendary trainer.

Wild-born animals themselves cannot become fully tamed, however their children can be, though it may take a generation or two before one will be born pre-tamed.
Really? In my experience my trainers periodically reinforce training not just when they are semi-wild again. Of course they also seem to do it whenever the hell they please so that is the most probably cause for the differences in our experience.
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Re: Quick question about taming
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2013, 01:52:36 pm »

That's perfectly normal in my experiences.
Really? In my experience my trainers periodically reinforce training not just when they are semi-wild again. Of course they also seem to do it whenever the hell they please so that is the most probably cause for the differences in our experience.

Looking at it now, I think animal training might be tied to idle behavior, like fishing or hunting, since one person had a ghost that was able to train his animals. Or it could have been that training has a low priority compared to most other jobs, and my trainers were just too busy to care about the near-rampaging war-rocs in my farmland.
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Re: Quick question about taming
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2013, 05:35:59 pm »

That's perfectly normal in my experiences.
Really? In my experience my trainers periodically reinforce training not just when they are semi-wild again. Of course they also seem to do it whenever the hell they please so that is the most probably cause for the differences in our experience.

Looking at it now, I think animal training might be tied to idle behavior, like fishing or hunting, since one person had a ghost that was able to train his animals. Or it could have been that training has a low priority compared to most other jobs, and my trainers were just too busy to care about the near-rampaging war-rocs in my farmland.
I had a 12 year old "Fluffy tamer" that had no other jobs other than animal training. He still only did it whenever he felt like it ;)
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