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[swimmerdwarf]

Would anyone here like to take up a challenge and create me a map that doesn't have any dwarves on it. Could you tell me the map parameters needed to achieve this? That may sound silly, but I want to start with 7 dwarves and only add population by birth for a challenge. Thx

[ORCACommander]

you can't do it. You have to have an existing dwarf civilization in oder to make a fortress. only way to play a map without dwarves on it with dwarves is adventure mode.

[swimmerdwarf]

you can't do it. You have to have an existing dwarf civilization in oder to make a fortress. only way to play a map without dwarves on it with dwarves is adventure mode.

Okay thanks, for some reason I thought I heard of someone not having any dwarven caravans or migrants because their civilization was killed.

[joeclark77]

I'm pretty sure the migration waves are just randomly generated.  I once played as a member of a dwarf civ that appeared to have no settlements (of course I didn't check this in Legends mode, so I might have been wrong).  It was interesting, the embark options were very sparse.  Neither copper nor even bronze items were available, I had to shell out for iron picks.

[Lich180]

I've tried the whole no-civ embark before. Checked legends, civ was dead for 200 years or so, so I used that to embark. Still got caravans, diplomats, and migrants out the wazoo.

If you really want to do a 7 dwarf challenge, set your population cap to 0, and wall off your fort and let the 2 hardcoded migrant waves die and slab / bury them. Probably the easiest way to do it.

[Terff]

I've tried the whole no-civ embark before. Checked legends, civ was dead for 200 years or so, so I used that to embark. Still got caravans, diplomats, and migrants out the wazoo.

If you really want to do a 7 dwarf challenge, set your population cap to 0, and wall off your fort and let the 2 hardcoded migrant waves die and slab / bury them. Probably the easiest way to do it.

I believe I read somewhere that if you have less than 14 or 15  dwarves(something like that) migrant waves will still come regardless of your population caps

[Sutremaine]

The number's smaller than that. Seven is fine for a pop cap.

It's also possible to use DFHack to stop the first two waves, by reporting the population directly instead of doing it via the caravan (which comes after the first two waves).