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Slayermaster

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Dumping stuff off cliffs
« on: April 24, 2013, 08:13:23 am »

Question, how do I go about throwing refuse, bodies, and whatever else into open space? Throwing bodies into pits and the like.
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Re: Dumping stuff off cliffs
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 08:20:07 am »

Create a dump zone that includes the (empty) tile you want junk thrown into, and somewhere to stand while throwing it.
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Re: Dumping stuff off cliffs
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2013, 10:36:23 am »

I think if you have a garbage zone next to a cliff or ramp, they will dump it even if the open space is not part of the zone

(I lost some dwarves when I had a rock dump zone next to a ramp that was in active use...)
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2013, 11:28:24 am »

If your dump zone is adjacent to any "open space" then dwarves will throw it over the open space instead of dumping it on the tile.  They can do this diagonally I believe, and there's some priority so they'll tend to always pick the same tile if there are multiple options.  The zone does not need to extend over the open space.

For dumping stuff inside your fortress, you can construct a multiple z-level chute by having a miner channel straight down.  He can do this safely assuming he doesn't fall into a cavern or other open space (not using a staircase prevents introducing a security vulnerability).  Then connect the chute to whatever z-level you want trash access, designate a dump square next to the open space, and enclose the whole thing in walls/door.  As a bonus, put grates/hatches over the open space and connect them to a lever somewhere.  Even if covered, dwarves will place the dumped items on the grates/hatches.  When you pull the lever, all will fall down to the bottom of the chute, into a cavern, lava, atom-smasher, whatever.  The benefit here is it gives you a second chance to rescue things that may have been misdumped before they're gone forever.  If you use grates or put the lever for the hatches somewhere safe, this trash chute can save the fortress as a means of emergency drainage after a flooding accident.
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Re: Dumping stuff off cliffs
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2013, 01:39:48 pm »

If your dump zone is adjacent to any "open space" then dwarves will throw it over the open space instead of dumping it on the tile.  They can do this diagonally I believe, and there's some priority so they'll tend to always pick the same tile if there are multiple options.  The zone does not need to extend over the open space.

For dumping stuff inside your fortress, you can construct a multiple z-level chute by having a miner channel straight down.  He can do this safely assuming he doesn't fall into a cavern or other open space (not using a staircase prevents introducing a security vulnerability).  Then connect the chute to whatever z-level you want trash access, designate a dump square next to the open space, and enclose the whole thing in walls/door.  As a bonus, put grates/hatches over the open space and connect them to a lever somewhere.  Even if covered, dwarves will place the dumped items on the grates/hatches.  When you pull the lever, all will fall down to the bottom of the chute, into a cavern, lava, atom-smasher, whatever.  The benefit here is it gives you a second chance to rescue things that may have been misdumped before they're gone forever.  If you use grates or put the lever for the hatches somewhere safe, this trash chute can save the fortress as a means of emergency drainage after a flooding accident.

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Re: Dumping stuff off cliffs
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2013, 02:03:37 pm »

Just one miner, and just one tile of channel per level. I've had a miner slammed down multiple Z-levels multiple times by his colleague, and he's still leaving puddles of dwarf pus every time he washes himself.
As long as you only designate one level at a time using multiple miners and larger horizontal designations works just fine.
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Re: Dumping stuff off cliffs
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 09:30:02 am »

Can anybody confirm whether this works with refuse stockpiles as well?  Or is only garbage-dump zones?
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Re: Dumping stuff off cliffs
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 09:37:04 am »

Can anybody confirm whether this works with refuse stockpiles as well?  Or is only garbage-dump zones?

Refuse stockpiles are just stockpiles.  They have some unique behaviors associated with them, but pretty much dwarves just store refuse there, no throwing out over space, zone designations, special dump markers, or anything like that.  Refuse stockpiles can get full.  Its common to have your refuse stockpile near your dump zone, so you can select which refuse should be dumped (as some refuse is usable).
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Re: Dumping stuff off cliffs
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2013, 03:33:57 am »

I think if you have a garbage zone next to a cliff or ramp, they will dump it even if the open space is not part of the zone

(I lost some dwarves when I had a rock dump zone next to a ramp that was in active use...)

Good way to generate injuries to train your doctors on, though.
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