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Author Topic: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military  (Read 1243 times)

kuniqs

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Ingrediends:
 2 useless migrant
 10 soldiers with training weapons
 full plate armor (material irrevelant) with weak weapon

- wait for dwarven caravan
- equip migrant1 with armor and silver sword
- order migrant2 to attack caravan, he becomes hostile to caravan but not to you.
- order migrant1 to kill migrant2, migrant1 becomes a hostile, controllable training dummy
- ???
- full squad of nicely trained soldiers in 5 minutes! Reusable, automated dummy running on plump helmets!

Controlling the hostile guy is easy - he'll run away when not in military, and will move anywhere you want when alone.
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Girlinhat

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Re: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 05:47:37 pm »

To a certain level.  If any soldier kills the training dummy, they become enemies, and then it's a time bomb until one of the other soldiers realizes it and the Loyalty Cascade proceeds.

kuniqs

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Re: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 06:12:53 pm »

Wait..  it's a PERPETUAL MOTION training mechanism!
Killing steel-clad dwarf with wooden weapons..  maybe when he passes out of exhaustion and provokes headshots.
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Re: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 11:09:38 pm »

The best part is that this will encourage not only your soldiers to train up their fighting, but all your civilians as well!

Seriously though, even equipping the dummy with masterwork steel armor and the soldiers with base-quality training weapons is not enough. Eventually one of them will break the dummy's toe and then punch in his brain when he passes out -- even through a steel helm, if they get strong and skilled enough. Which, considering that's the whole point of the scheme, would ironically be the intended outcome.
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Children you rescue shouldn't behave like rabid beasts.  I guess your regular companions shouldn't act like rabid beasts either.
I think that's a little more impossible than I'm likely to have time for.

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Re: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 12:06:37 am »

To be fair, it sounds like a good idea even if only to get a dummy with armor on. Needs to be combined with necro to make a tough dummy training instead of squishy animals, but then possibly minus him attacking a caravan, just him being killed fully armored near a necro behind fortifications and a bridge.
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kuniqs

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Re: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 01:18:39 am »

Well, with necro you don't need training dummies anymore, just lots of butchering remains and lots of soap.

Done arena tests with many legendary unarmed dwarves and unskilled one in various-material full plate. Only thing that could kill the solitary one was getting bitten and shaked around. For some reason teeth behaves like adamantine floss - can't pierce through skin but cuts anything with a sawing motion. That wasn't very common, and everyone could train to lethal level before dummy bled out. Biter skill had no considerable difference, neither wrestler or any unarmed combat skill. Killing was so slow that training could be stopped anytime, giving the dummy time to recover a bit.
Plus, (not noticeable in arena but common with danger-room stat pumping) mighty and above dwarfs have warhammers for limbs and can shatter goblin sized-bones (which includes dwarfs) through armor unarmed, so a careful screening of recruits is required to ensure the training program won't end prematurely.

If the dummy gets too battered, there's a good chance it'll be bedridden for rest of its life. Additional research required to know if it is possible to divide your fortress into 2 factions by attacking traders, or if every dwarf will be his own faction. If former is true, it might be possible to setup a self-sustaining facility with food/clothes production and hospital to heal damaged goods.
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Re: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2013, 01:27:35 am »

If a dwarf is an enemy of its own civilization, it is still technically a member of the civilization.  If a member of a civilization encounters an enemy of its civilization, they are likely to begin fighting to the death.  This means that two traitors in a room are on the "wanted" list, and still feel loyal enough to attacked "wanted" criminals.  Eventually they'll attack each other.

This is the core of a loyalty cascade.  Once one dwarf kills any member of the civilization (including animals) then it's only a matter of time before it crumbles.  It can take years in rare cases before the enemy-to-the-state is called out and the cascade happens, but eventually it WILL happen.  It's a plague with variable incubation, and the only cure is confinement or death.

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Re: Heroic self sacrifice for the bright future of our military
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2013, 04:17:04 pm »

Well, tried to do this, it all quickly went out of control and everything went to hell in a massive free-for-all. It was quite glorious, but making the thing reliale seems a bit impossible.
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