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"Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« on: August 14, 2012, 08:45:10 pm »

If you pit multiple caged goblins then the dwarves do a silly dance where eachother's goblin scares the dwarves and interrupts their pitting behaviour. They clearly don't realize that the other guy's goblin is being pitted so they react to it an run away or drop the goblin off at the animals stockpile again... again.. and again.

Is there some way, other than pitting one at a time to stop this?

Stupid dorfs....
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 08:54:10 pm »

The mass pitting article in the wiki works great.
Essentially, dig lots of pits each spaced two tiles apart from each other with a single pit activity zone for all of them and the caged animal stockpile surrounding them so that no stockpile tile isn't touching a pit tile.
Then the dwarves don't have to take the goblins anywhere and nobody gets scared.
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 09:12:05 pm »

Well.... this might be worth a post of it's own... but I just found that if you select all the goblins in a stockpile to be killed using the attack "r" then pit them your army cuts them down the instant they are removed from the cages.  This has to be the easiest way of putting down caged prisoners that I've ever seen!
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2012, 09:21:00 pm »

Well.... this might be worth a post of it's own... but I just found that if you select all the goblins in a stockpile to be killed using the attack "r" then pit them your army cuts them down the instant they are removed from the cages.  This has to be the easiest way of putting down caged prisoners that I've ever seen!

Even better (since there's no need for ramps to be dug), make a pen/pasture zone next to the cages and assign the goblins to be in it. Same killing, less space needed :)
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 10:18:00 pm »

If you pit multiple caged goblins then the dwarves do a silly dance where eachother's goblin scares the dwarves and interrupts their pitting behaviour. They clearly don't realize that the other guy's goblin is being pitted so they react to it an run away or drop the goblin off at the animals stockpile again... again.. and again.

Is there some way, other than pitting one at a time to stop this?

Stupid dorfs....

In my fort, I just stripped all the goblins of their weapons and armor and dumped them into my pit. About 30 goblins, all at the same time, no problem. So the question is, what are you doing that's different from what Im' doing?

Here are the two things I can see that you haven't mentioned.
  • Are your goblins armed?
  • Are any of your goblins thieves? Thieves will escape immediately upon attempting to move them.
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 10:33:37 pm »

The problem likely isn't hauled goblins scaring each other's haulers but the pitted ones scaring the haulers up above. Cover your pit with hatch covers or a retracting bridge (you don't even need to open it) and it should work properly.
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 11:34:21 pm »

I do mass pitting as described on the wiki.

I don't seem to need the hatch covers though. There's a 3z drop to the kill floor though. Which may be far enough to keep the civilians from being worried by them?

I used to disarm the prisoners and train the militia on them. Now that the dorfs are mostly godlike I'm feeding them to the non-warbeast guard animals, tame wolves and giant dingos. I'm not sure if critters improve their skills, but hey its fun and they need killing anyway.
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 11:50:03 pm »

Ah... I bet it is the goblins already in the pit that are scaring them. Next fort I have them get dropped a few more z-levels.
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2012, 03:26:56 am »

As Quietust pointed out, simply put hatch covers on top of all of the wholes (as the wiki even states clearly in step number 3 on the mass pitting page), and that should solve all of your scare problems.
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2012, 07:22:55 am »

Ah... I bet it is the goblins already in the pit that are scaring them. Next fort I have them get dropped a few more z-levels.
More z levels won't (shouldn't) make a difference afaik.  I remember a story of a FB being at the bottom of a central staircase when it broke into a cavern, and rendering it completely useless because the whole thing was in his line of sight.  Hatch covers should solve the LOS problem, as previously pointed out, allowing your dwarves to do their job without being scared because they can see goblins and vice versa. :)
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Re: "Your goblin scares me!": Dorfs and pitting problem
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2012, 09:02:36 am »

Well, more z-levels will cause a higher corpse:goblin ratio, which should help.
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