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Eric Blank

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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2012, 03:59:52 pm »

Due to my sudden bout of extreme paranoia, my fortress is now defended by a grand trap hall including a narrow dodge-pit trap bridge covered in copper serated disks, with up to 10 per weapon trap (I know copper sucks, but the point is to get them to dodge anyway, and I didn't have the resources for anything better. It'll do fine on relatively unarmored targets.) and backed up by an atom smasher. The pit, of course, drops 11 or so stories into to a pool of magma, that I could drain to collect goblinite.

Although I need to rethink the drain, because it'll suck in items just as well as anything else.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2012, 08:02:54 pm »

My recent project to create a dwarven suburb ended in tragedy. I dug a one-wide channel around the entire map and removed the ramps. The only way to enter without flying was across a bridge defended by traps. I embarked in a freezing biome and so naturally the ice melted and refroze right across my wimpy moat. The goblin siege sitting outside waltzed right in and killed about 120 dwarves and then left the rest to die in a miserable tantrum spiral. I had assumed that I would be safe until I could get some walls built around the edge but my sad channel was no match for the inevitable folly of Dwarf Fortress.

Almost paranoid enough.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2012, 10:38:33 pm »

My recent project to create a dwarven suburb ended in tragedy. I dug a one-wide channel around the entire map and removed the ramps. The only way to enter without flying was across a bridge defended by traps. I embarked in a freezing biome and so naturally the ice melted and refroze right across my wimpy moat. The goblin siege sitting outside waltzed right in and killed about 120 dwarves and then left the rest to die in a miserable tantrum spiral. I had assumed that I would be safe until I could get some walls built around the edge but my sad channel was no match for the inevitable folly of Dwarf Fortress.

Almost paranoid enough.
Same thing happened to me, the difference being my whole defense didn't depend on outside facters.  :P. Nothing can penetrate my base, the only difference in the winter is fewer die from instant trapping (Note: I said FEWER. Lots of traps everywhere, especially in non-ramp areas.)
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2012, 10:48:11 pm »

Can creatures destroy constructions (like doors or raised bridges)

NOTHING can destroy a raised bridge. You will be just fine with one bridge. And maybe a wall.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2012, 10:53:08 pm »

Can creatures destroy constructions (like doors or raised bridges)

NOTHING can destroy a raised bridge. You will be just fine with one bridge. And maybe a wall.

I heard that's not actually the case.  Supposedly the fake wall created by the raised bridge protects the spaces it occupies, but the rest of the bridge area is still potentially vulnerable if you have something that could hurt the bridge.  So if you have a bridge that can burn or melt, it's longer than 1 tile, and one of the non-wall spaces gets hit by say, dragonfire while the bridge is up, it could catch fire.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2012, 10:56:19 pm »

Can creatures destroy constructions (like doors or raised bridges)

NOTHING can destroy a raised bridge. You will be just fine with one bridge. And maybe a wall.

I heard that's not actually the case.  Supposedly the fake wall created by the raised bridge protects the spaces it occupies, but the rest of the bridge area is still potentially vulnerable if you have something that could hurt the bridge.  So if you have a bridge that can burn or melt, it's longer than 1 tile, and one of the non-wall spaces gets hit by say, dragonfire while the bridge is up, it could catch fire.

As I've said, maybe a wall. I've only seen magma once, and that was a volcano. I have a tendency to do stupid things, but that is usually starvation or dehydration or vampires uncontrolled.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2012, 11:01:32 pm »

My fortress usually only has one layer of main defenses to stop sieges and suchlike, and then after that, the !!FUN!! begins as I try to stop the forty goblins rampaging through the booze stockpile with ten recruits, five marksdwarves, and a small elite squad of four veterans (hahahaha, adept veterans). Usually, it ends badly as the recruits rush, the marksdwarves try to fight hand to hand, and the veterans decide they need to change socks, or go get a drink from that barrel Melbil dropped by the forge, or go on break.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2012, 01:32:16 am »

I can't recall, can flying things come up through wells now?

Also, all of my raised drawbridges have always been done with a dry-moat underneath so that the raised bridge is 1Z level above where you stand if you try to stand next to the raised bridge tile. 
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2012, 05:16:32 am »

I can't recall, can flying things come up through wells now?

Swimming, flying, floating...

If they get you, you were not paranoid enough.  If you they just barely got you, you were almost paranoid enough. :D

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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2012, 06:36:19 am »

I'm very paranoid when it comes to the surface or caverns. At any point in a fort of mine they are either walled off, or have trap corridors leading to them, sealed by raising bridges. Emphasis on the plural, one bridge can always be blocked by an Ogre, Elephant, Cave Dragon, FB or Titan.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2012, 07:12:46 am »

I can't recall, can flying things come up through wells now?

Swimming, flying, floating...

But, as I understand things (imperfectly), swimmers can only come up through the well if the water in the tile directly below the well is 7/7 deep.
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Re: How paranoid is appropriate?
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2012, 08:15:09 am »

Due to my sudden bout of extreme paranoia, my fortress is now defended by a grand trap hall including a narrow dodge-pit trap bridge covered in copper serated disks, with up to 10 per weapon trap (I know copper sucks, but the point is to get them to dodge anyway, and I didn't have the resources for anything better. It'll do fine on relatively unarmored targets.) and backed up by an atom smasher. The pit, of course, drops 11 or so stories into to a pool of magma, that I could drain to collect goblinite.

Although I need to rethink the drain, because it'll suck in items just as well as anything else.
You'll be fine if it drains down a grate, or if you include a grate in the drain line to catch any sucked-in items. That's what I actually do. I have a retracting bridge for the floor of the magma-pool, then under the retracting bridge, I have a grated-over area (abuse of downstairs makes this possible) and under the grated over area is the magma reservoir or map edge drain. So when the bridge is opened, the magma falls straight through and the items are sieved out ready for collection for dwarves.

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