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[WealthyRadish]

So, I was grinding copper axes to level my weaponsmith, and accidentally melted down one of his masterworks. The resulting unhappy thought (his only one) was apparently enough to completely negate the positive thoughts from his spouse, child, legendary meals, fine drinks, bedroom like a personal palace, satisfying work, yelling at someone in charge, starting a fist fight, enjoying a tastefully arranged and sublimely fabutastic statue, admiring his cabinet, and breaking a +marble throne+. He has no active labors, a bedroom I was reserving for the baron when he arrives, and nothing to do all day except diddle around in the dining hall or statue garden admiring shiny crap. Checking Dwarf Therapist, he's still at '0' happiness, and now he's stuck in the dining hall with the 'sleep' task active, but not moving. I'd rather not have him go insane (especially right in the middle of the damn dining hall), as I've invested quite a bit of time and resources into getting this derp up to a high level. If he does, I'm not worried about a tantrum spiral or anything, as EVERYONE else is ecstatic.

Is there anything else I can do for Urist McCrybaby, aside from walling him off before he beserks?

[highmax28]

Throw him off of a cliff, problem solved

That thing you melted might've been an artifact, so that would proove why he is unhappy, but that might just cause melancholy....

[kaijyuu]

Destroying a masterwork has a variable amount of happiness loss.


If he's only ever made 1 in his entire life, destroying it gives him a whopping -1000 happiness. That's like, instant insanity, since you destroyed the one thing he'd ever really succeeded at in life. It was his magnum opus, you bastard.

If he's made a buttload of masterworks he'll still care, but it bottoms out at -20 happiness. That's after 100 or so made, I believe.

[Garath]

I had a cook lose about 10 MW roasts in a short time (he did have like 100 more) and he didn't even show up on the less happy list.

[WealthyRadish]

Destroying a masterwork has a variable amount of happiness loss.


If he's only ever made 1 in his entire life, destroying it gives him a whopping -1000 happiness. That's like, instant insanity, since you destroyed the one thing he'd ever really succeeded at in life. It was his magnum opus, you bastard.

If he's made a buttload of masterworks he'll still care, but it bottoms out at -20 happiness. That's after 100 or so made, I believe.

Alright, this makes sense. I've been burning through my armorsmith's masterwork leggings like there's no tomorrow, and he hasn't even dropped below ecstatic... I guess I was unlucky enough to melt a masterwork when this guy had only one.

I have a talented weaponsmith on standby to take his place in the grind, so I guess I can take the loss. I hope this is addressed at some point in the future... losing 1000 happiness is just ridiculous.

Thanks for the help anyway.

[kaijyuu]

Numbers may be off since this is a vague memory of a forum post from like a year ago, but yeah, don't let those new legendaries get their junk destroyed.

[NTJedi]

So even though it says "miserable" with a rating of zero... it might be in the negatives and he or she might never recover??  My number_1 tailor is stuck at miserable.  I assigned him a super nice room, he continues to work okay, yet I'm worried he'll turn berserk one day.

[Garath]

He should tantrum a bit before going bonkers, so you'll have some warning. I think the fact that he doesn't, if he doesn't, shows his happyness is going up.

[vorpal+5]

Related question, I have some dorfs who are at Ecstatic (631) happiness. I would really like to get the recipe here, how did they manage that? Just work all days producing mugs? Because there is nothing grand in their life (meagre room, correct meal, great dining room and nothing much else)

[Garath]

did they construct an artifact recently? have a child born?

[Quietust]

If he's only ever made 1 in his entire life, destroying it gives him a whopping -1000 happiness.

Actually, it's only a -200/X penalty, not -1000/X - I know, since I've located and disassembled the relevant code.

That thing you melted might've been an artifact, so that would proove why he is unhappy, but that might just cause melancholy....

Artifacts cannot, under any circumstances, be designated for melting.

[cephalo]

There are a million reasons now why a dwarf might be stuck. Did you put him in some workshop burrow so that he can't reach his bed?

[slothen]

I have a talented weaponsmith on standby to take his place in the grind, so I guess I can take the loss. I hope this is addressed at some point in the future... losing 1000 happiness is just ridiculous.

working as intended.  If he survives until the thought expires, he should be okay, but I believe that thoguht sticks around for a long, long time.

[Garath]

There are a million reasons now why a dwarf might be stuck. Did you put him in some workshop burrow so that he can't reach his bed?

this is so funny since it is totally unrelated to the point in the OP

Anyway, like I said, if he hasn't tantrummed for a while now, you got a decent chance for survival.

[WealthyRadish]

If it's only 200, I suppose it might be survivable, though only with something crazy lucky like a birth or artifact... which even in the latter's case would probably mean the death of someone else to make a dwarf leather thong named Gurglesnout. This dwarf had received pretty much ideal treatment in all practical areas, given that I didn't have time to give him the weird happiness inducers like mist waddling. If all that stuff wasn't able to neutralize a single thought (and it was his only negative one), then the mechanic does seem a bit broken. While most of the time masterwork destruction is the product of player carelessness, and the circumstances under which the thought is induced at this level are rather slim, it still feels broken to cause near inevitable death for such a minor -and in most cases dismissable- mistake, such as melting down a masterwork with large numbers of other items while training.

Obviously an extremely minor gripe, and pretty low on the priority list, but I think it's worth noting. Thanks for the clarification anyway, it was awesomely helpful.