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AzuredreamsXT

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Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« on: April 02, 2012, 06:17:23 am »
I assume is to embark near an elven settlement in a desert?
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 06:19:58 am »
Nah, you just need to ramp the crap out of savagery in world gen
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 06:29:38 am »
And I assume make deserts a biome elves tend to inhabit.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 08:09:56 am »
and remove the person varieties of ticks, thrips, hamsters, and grasshoppers.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 10:36:29 am »
Add moar deserts and moar savagery to the world.

Or you could just embark on a savage desert.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 10:53:39 am »
Mod so elves settle at the scorpions, and add [UBIQUITOUS] to teh scorpions.  ;D
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 10:59:42 am »
Alternatively mod all cats into Scorpions. I can't see how that could possibly go wrong.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 11:07:56 am »
Will elves settle in the desert?  If they don't, then they won't bring desert critters at all.  Adding a line like [BIOME_SUPPORT:DESERT:3] would enable them to settle on deserts.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 11:08:49 am »
Scorposplosion. Dear Armok...  :o

Call the magma team! Open the Floodgates! Release the Forgotten beasts! Release the demons of hell itself upon them!

... with the only difference being that the scorpos can be trained for !!WAR!! :D
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2012, 11:11:13 am »
Quote from: Girlinhat on April 02, 2012, 11:07:56 am
Will elves settle in the desert?  If they don't, then they won't bring desert critters at all.  Adding a line like [BIOME_SUPPORT:DESERT:3] would enable them to settle on deserts.

   [START_BIOME:ANY_FOREST]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_LAKE:1]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_FOREST:3]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_RIVER:1]

Maybe they build retreats in a desert if there's a river in it, though more science must be done.

Or maybe when a desert is just next to a forest (with enough rainfall variation) and an elf retreats puts itself over the forest AND the desert.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 11:25:06 am »
If you give them [START_BIOME:ANY_DESERT] you will have a ton of desert elves. P.S. Desert elves don't bring wood for some reason... and they do like rivers in deserts, but they will settle else-were if there's no good river spots.

You can also give everyone multiple start biomes, and they will still try to migrate to their preferred biome.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2012, 02:11:23 pm »
Quote from: Blizzlord on April 02, 2012, 11:08:49 am
Scorposplosion. Dear Armok...  :o

Call the magma team! Open the Floodgates! Release the Forgotten beasts! Release the demons of hell itself upon them!

... with the only difference being that the scorpos can be trained for !!WAR!! :D
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I've had elves bring Jaguars before. I believe those are desert animals so I believe it is possible for the elves to bring GDS as well. Potentially.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2012, 02:13:08 pm »
Quote from: Cobaldunderpants on April 02, 2012, 02:11:23 pm
Release the Kraken!

I've had elves bring Jaguars before. I believe those are desert animals so I believe it is possible for the elves to bring GDS as well. Potentially.

Jaguars can appear in any tropical biome, as well as deserts, so unfortunately it doesn't prove anything one way or another.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2012, 02:14:53 pm »
I can confirm that elves rarely bring GDS to trade. Over v0.31 I bought maybe one from the elves, and over v0.25 I bought four or five.
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Re: Best way to ensure elves bring Giant Desert Scorpions to trade?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2012, 02:34:57 pm »
I was experimenting with that question lately with creatures in the giant savage tropical raw file.

My current theory is that it looks at the surroundings colonized by the elf civilization, then compares that surroundings list to the overland creature populations, then picks tameable creatures from the creatures that could reside in areas with the elves.

What worked for me was: after starting the game with unmodified raws, note what surroundings the elves come from and modify the creature raw to allow it to exist in those biomes. The next time the elves come, it will check against the modified raws and have a chance to bring the desired creature.

For example, in most games, even with savagery set to extremely high, the local elves will not have a savage tropical area and never bring giant cats. (Out of a few dozen tests, embarking in savage tropical forests, in only one did the elves bring them.)

After the game started, I noted that the elves were bringing jaguars, tigers, etc, but no giant varieties. So I went into creature savage tropical raw file for that save game and removed the [SAVAGE] tag from Giant Tigers and subsequently, the elves brought a giant tiger.

I like this approach because it doesn't change the raws during world generation or pre-embark, with possible unintended consequences, and you can undo it as soon as you have a breeding pair to start your population.

Also, I added [HUNTS_VERMIN] to all the giant cats, because that was just too funny to pass up.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 02:36:33 pm by gchristopher »
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