Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Author Topic: Would this lake become stagnant?  (Read 3847 times)

Raphite1

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
    • Beards and Brimstone
Would this lake become stagnant?
« on: March 14, 2012, 11:09:45 am »

Let's say my map has a common 1-level deep murky pool, like this (side view; X=ground tiles, ~=water):

XXXXX~~~~~XXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I know that this stagnant water will spread its stagnant-ness to other bodies of water that it touches, and that a tile that has held stagnant water in the past will cause all future water on that tile to become stagnant.

Let's say I wait for the murky pool to evaporate, and then completely remove the adjacent ground tiles (both below the pool and around the sides) to make a 2-level deep pit, like this:

XXXX           XXXX
XXXX           XXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

If I pump water into this pit, will it become stagnant even though the "murky pool" tiles have been removed?

(Note: I also realize that there's a bug causing murky pools to transmit stagnant-ness to other water bodies if they're only separated by a single wall, so perhaps imagine that my "pit" is big enough to have removed two layers of tiles adjacent to the original pool.)

Sphalerite

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
    • Drew's Robots and stuff
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 11:31:43 am »

Removing the tiles doesn't remove the stagnant flag.  The open space left behind will still remember that it once held stagnant water.
Logged
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius --- and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.

martinuzz

  • Bay Watcher
  • High dwarf
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 11:41:32 am »

in my current map, my river seems to have stabilized. 2/3ds of it are stagnant, and the first 1/3d, starting from where the river enters the map, stays non-stagnant, even though it is touching stagnant tiles. The rest of the river became stagnant after tapping from it.

Will my wells built over stagnant water work?
Logged
Friendly and polite reminder for optimists: Hope is a finite resource

We can ­disagree and still love each other, ­unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist - James Baldwin

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=73719.msg1830479#msg1830479

smeeprocket

  • Bay Watcher
  • Collectivist Socialist Feminist Freeloader
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 12:15:03 pm »

Wells fix the stagnant water problem. At least for water drawn from it. No so much for salt water though.
Logged
Steam Name: Ratpocalypse
Transpersons and intersex persons mod for Fortress mode of DF: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10204

Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/princessslaughter/

"I can't wait to throw your corpse on to a jump pad and watch it take to the air like a child's imagination."

Sphalerite

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
    • Drew's Robots and stuff
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 12:16:35 pm »

Wells fix the stagnant water problem. At least for water drawn from it. No so much for salt water though.

Actually, water drawn from wells over salt water is perfectly usable.  It will show as 'water laced with salt' if you examine the bucket, but dwarves will still happily drink it or use it to clean wounds.
Logged
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius --- and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.

Iodinium

  • Escaped Lunatic
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 12:39:38 pm »

Wells fix the stagnant water problem. At least for water drawn from it. No so much for salt water though.

'water laced with salt' but dwarves will happily use it to clean wounds.
Ouch.
Logged

TheLinguist

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 12:46:43 pm »

Wells fix the stagnant water problem. At least for water drawn from it. No so much for salt water though.

Actually, water drawn from wells over salt water is perfectly usable.  It will show as 'water laced with salt' if you examine the bucket, but dwarves will still happily drink it or use it to clean wounds.

Well, I guess after you start raising kittens for food, melting the fat off of soldiers with magma, and using your own children as dwarven shields, a little salt in the wound isn't such a bad thing. Helps to build pain tolerance, I'm sure.
Logged

RabblerouserGT

  • Bay Watcher
  • ETHIC:NONBELIEVER:SHUN
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 01:11:23 pm »

So water drawn from a well (over stagant water) is safe for drinking and cleaning wounds? Or will it lead to nasty infections?
Logged

..and then the child Praiseincest shall be dipped in the river of Pregnantjuices! Rejoice! The son of Armok has been born!
My dwarf worships the goddess of suicide. This can only bode well.

slothen

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 01:11:34 pm »

as i understand it:

dwarves don't like muddy water.  Wells 1 z level deep will always give muddy water.  2-z level deep wells will not have this problem.  Not sure if not drawn from a well.
dwarves don't like stagnant water.  Stagnant water is water that touches a stagnant tile.  Stagnant tiles are flagged by having stagnant water on them.  The result being all parts of a body of water are stagnant once.  Dwarves ignore stagnancy is ignored when water is drawn from a well.  The game seems to remember, so it seems likely washing injured with stagnant water increases chance of infection.
Ditto all the above for salt water, except dwarves will drink stagnant water but not salt water, unless drawn by a well.
Logged
While adding magma to anything will make it dwarfy, adding the word "magma" to your post does not necessarily make it funny.
Thoughts on water
MILITARY: squad, uniform, training
"DF doesn't mold players into its image - DF merely selects those who were always ready for DF." -NW_Kohaku

Naryar

  • Bay Watcher
  • [SPHERE:VERMIN][LIKES_FIGHTING]
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 01:20:01 pm »

Wells fix the stagnant water problem. At least for water drawn from it. No so much for salt water though.

'water laced with salt' but dwarves will happily use it to clean wounds.
Ouch.
Pretty sure it would be a good disinfectant...

RabblerouserGT

  • Bay Watcher
  • ETHIC:NONBELIEVER:SHUN
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 01:29:34 pm »

So I was probably better off with my saltwater fortress. lol
Logged

..and then the child Praiseincest shall be dipped in the river of Pregnantjuices! Rejoice! The son of Armok has been born!
My dwarf worships the goddess of suicide. This can only bode well.

robertheinrich

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 03:23:08 pm »

Dig out a cistern and fill it with a screw pump. Pumping water destagnates it and also removes the salt.
Logged

RabblerouserGT

  • Bay Watcher
  • ETHIC:NONBELIEVER:SHUN
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 04:23:44 pm »

Dig out a cistern and fill it with a screw pump. Pumping water destagnates it and also removes the salt.
Not really sure how cisterns work. Would rather see a video of someone successfully setting one up.

I mean, I !!FUN!! and all that, but not "permaflooding-your-fortress" kind of fun. More the stabby things and severed heads type of fun.
Logged

..and then the child Praiseincest shall be dipped in the river of Pregnantjuices! Rejoice! The son of Armok has been born!
My dwarf worships the goddess of suicide. This can only bode well.

Pokon

  • Bay Watcher
  • [ETHICS:HAHAHAHA]
    • View Profile
Re: Would this lake become stagnant?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 05:04:08 pm »

Wells fix the stagnant water problem. At least for water drawn from it. No so much for salt water though.

'water laced with salt' but dwarves will happily use it to clean wounds.
Ouch.
Pretty sure it would be a good disinfectant...

"Hey, Urist, where did yah get the soap?"

"Oh, this thing? I scraped it out of the water bucket. It hurts a little when it rubs your skin, but it's better than feeling nothing."

Logged
A vile force of dark'ness has arrived, led by their champion Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way.