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[Hotaru]

Honestly, I don't know about the limits on removing tags with that tag. I only know people in modding forum have said it will give errors with some things like CAN_SPEAK and INTELLIGENT and works with others like LIKES_FIGHTING apparently. If such basic tags may not be removed, I wouldn't count on alcohol dependency being removable.

Anyway, from the Wiki, the old fix to the problem was to remove alcohol dependency from dwarves altogether. This may be pretty unsatisfying, though. Now, I've never tried it but you can actually decode world.dat. http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/User:Quietust has tools based on it. So I'd assume if you did that, and changed it, your future vampires infected with the same numbered curse (based on decoded interactions I did while investigating werecreature properties in another thread) might not get the NO_DRINK tag. Might.

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As you see this is all frustrating conjecture posted from a computer whose low processing speed makes DF unenjoyable, but not world gen.

To illustrate why I keep talking of vampire syndromes, here's an actual interaction from a world of 1000 vampire curses decoded from world.dat with one of those PHP scripts:

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interaction_layer
[OBJECT:INTERACTION]
[INTERACTION:DEITY_CURSE_VAMPIRE_7]
[GENERATED]
[I_SOURCE:DEITY]
[IS_USAGE_HINT:MAJOR_CURSE]
[IS_HIST_STRING_1: cursed ]
[IS_HIST_STRING_2: to prowl the night in search of blood]
[I_SOURCE:INGESTION]
[IS_HIST_STRING_1: consumed the tainted blood of ]
[IS_HIST_STRING_2: and was cursed]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_REQUIRES:CAN_LEARN]
[IT_REQUIRES:HAS_BLOOD]
[IT_FORBIDDEN:NOT_LIVING]
[IT_FORBIDDEN:SUPERNATURAL]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:WERECURSE]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:VAMPCURSE]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:DISTURBANCE_CURSE]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_CLASS:VAMPCURSE]
[CE_ADD_TAG:BLOODSUCKER:NO_AGING:STERILE:NOT_LIVING:NOEXERT:NOPAIN:NOBREATHE:NOSTUN:NONAUSEA:NO_DIZZINESS:NO_FEVERS:PARALYZEIMMUNE:NO_EAT:NO_DRINK:NO_SLEEP:NO_PHYS_ATT_GAIN:NO_PHYS_ATT_RUST:START:0]
[CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE:STRENGTH:200:0:AGILITY:200:0:TOUGHNESS:200:0:START:0]
[CE_MATERIAL_FORCE_MULTIPLIER:MAT_MULT:NONE:NONE:1:2]
[CE_BODY_MAT_INTERACTION:MAT_TOKEN:RESERVED_BLOOD:START:0]
[CE:INTERACTION:DEITY_CURSE_VAMPIRE_7]
[CE:SYNDROME_TAG:SYN_INGESTED]
[CE:SYNDROME_TAG:SYN_INJECTED]
[CE_DISPLAY_TILE:TILE:165:4:0:0:START:0:CAN_BE_HIDDEN]
[CE_DISPLAY_NAME:NAME:vampire:vampires:vampiric:START:0:CAN_BE_HIDDEN]
[CE_BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:START:0:BP:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH:APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:150]
[CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:DRINKING_BLOOD:1:NONE:REQUIRED]


[Sutremaine]

Oh I see, most of the vampire curses are generated randomly and hard-coded. The one in the raws is only one example, and the only one that can be edited. I was thinking that when you increased the number of curses, the game looked at that one interaction and did something with the information in it.

[RAKninja]

My guess is that all dwarves will acquire this trait anyway by having alcohol dependency, and even removing the tag won't remove the trait.  Completely conjecture of course.

If that is true, then DF2012 introduces alcohol addiction

I can confirm this is not the case for DF2010

you'd have to gen a new world to have any effect from removing the dependent tag.

i can confirm in df2010, goblins as a whole are not alcohol dependent, but individual goblins are.

[Loud Whispers]

you'd have to gen a new world to have any effect from removing the dependent tag.

Tested with humans who do not have alcohol dependency.

[pushy]

Bought some cow blood and animal man blood from the caravans. As I suspected, no cigar. Vampire no likey old, non-dwarven blood from a barrel.

I wonder, if I give him a child, if he will report the corpse as dead, and bury it inside it's walled off lair.

I'm picturing a child chained to the floor in the middle of an otherwise empty room, with a flood gate on one side, and a walled off hallway on the other.  A lever in the hallway is pulled, the floodgate opens, and Urist McBloodSucker walks into the chamber ...

Urist doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt.

[Kaos]

maybe selecting a high strength or high endurance dwarf so the vampire feeds but doesn't kill?

[wierd]

Bought some cow blood and animal man blood from the caravans. As I suspected, no cigar. Vampire no likey old, non-dwarven blood from a barrel.

I wonder, if I give him a child, if he will report the corpse as dead, and bury it inside it's walled off lair.

I'm picturing a child chained to the floor in the middle of an otherwise empty room, with a flood gate on one side, and a walled off hallway on the other.  A lever in the hallway is pulled, the floodgate opens, and Urist McBloodSucker walks into the chamber ...

Urist doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt.

So we let him play "the most dangerous game" instead!

Workaround for alcohol and feeding problems:
Make a beastman servitor race become alcohol dependant in the raws, and make them vamp and werewolf immune, and release a contact toxin that causes sleeping that they are *not* immune to.  Drop booze and the vampire into a sealed isolation ward filled with them. Urist McVampire needs a farm plot, a brewery, and whatever else you decide to give him. He grows food, turns it into booze, which the penned in beastmen promptly steal (and ideally consume.) They see urist mcvampire, and spew the sleepy contaminant everywhere. Urist mcvampire never sleeps. If he does fall unconcious, it won't be for long. The other were creatures however, not so much. They fall asleep, are full of booze, and have the sentient tag.  Vampire eats them, and feels extraspecialawesome.

Science is needed.

Alternative random idea: creature venom causes thirst. See if alcohol dependant dwarf vampire drinks booze.... bees would be ideal if not for the "needs path to outside" issue.... can bees go through a fortification?

[Sutremaine]

That solution assumes that the game tracks the BAC of individual creatures.