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Author Topic: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?  (Read 1838 times)

Maklak

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I can't find it anywhere with a quick search, but some people insist on having some useless military commander, who doesn't even have his own squad, and never sees the battlefield. Why? What are the benefits compared to making him leader of the rirst squad?
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 04:49:55 am »

There (was/is?) a bug, if the commander died you might wind up unable to create new captains, which would cripple your military sooner or later.
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 07:18:04 am »

You can't see skills when naming the commander, so people may pick any dwarf at random. It's not like it matters that much.
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 11:18:57 am »

Unless you're thinking of the captain of the guard? People have a non-military COTG because that dwarf dispenses justice. If your legendary armorer pissed of the mayor by violating a mandate, a fully armed COTG from the military may smash his brain through his skull with a mace or something. If you make your COTG fat and weak had give her a balsawood flail or something, and never let them train, the results won't be so bad.
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 02:17:46 pm »

On the emergency military setup page in the wiki, it does specify you assign the commander role to some who will NOT be partaking in battle 'preferably your doctor if you have one.'
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 02:36:00 pm »

On the emergency military setup page in the wiki, it does specify you assign the commander role to some who will NOT be partaking in battle 'preferably your doctor if you have one.'

Do you have a link? I can't seem to find that page.
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 02:38:01 pm »

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Attack

"2) In the nobles menu, assign a "militia commander". Select a dwarf you don't plan to use for this skirmish - maybe your Doctor, who you never want on the battlefield. When you do that, you'll notice a new position appears at the bottom, 'militia captain.'"
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 03:16:28 pm »

There (was/is?) a bug, if the commander died you might wind up unable to create new captains, which would cripple your military sooner or later.

I recall this being the 'reason' behind it as well.  (Edit: looks like it was reported as bug 638 and fixed in 31.05)
« Last Edit: March 01, 2012, 03:28:03 pm by Werdna »
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2012, 03:23:20 pm »

Basically you want to avoid the hassle of replacing the militia commander.

Militia commander gone = Military unusable until you have a new one

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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 04:47:21 pm »

Though the main reason to not send your military commander into battle is due to inconvenience, I've had my militia commander KIA many times and been able to finish the siege with the rest of the surviving militia units, allowing me to promote another soldier to replace him. Therefore, I would say this is not really a critical or necessary thing to do, just a very minor efficiency hack.
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Re: Why some people insist to have non-combatant military commander?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 05:51:43 pm »

Alternatively, it might be seen as making "militia commander" a primarily showpiece appointment in your forts. He gets first pick of the armor and weapons, but he's a symbol, rather than a fighter. "General Urist McShowpiece (Ret.)"
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