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Akura

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Wait, articles from 1927 aren't free yet?

I lose more faith in capitalism every day.
Technically, it's pure capitalism at work, so you ought to be having more faith in capitalism. ::)

If anything, it makes me wonder less why America is starting to suck at doing science, or at being intelligent in general.
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Wait, articles from 1927 aren't free yet?

I lose more faith in capitalism every day.

What? There was an arson last night where a man poured a 55 gallon drum of diesel on the roof and burned a house down?

Damn that useless fire department!
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I should probably have my head checked, because I find myself in complete agreement with Nikov.

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Yeah, much as I'm not a fan of pure capitalism, this one can't really be laid at its feet. It's a result of abuse of a government-created regulation by private industries; it owes as much to government intervention as it does to the lack thereof, and thus occupies a weird limbo where it can't be ascribed to any particular economic philosophy except greed.
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Yeah, much as I'm not a fan of pure capitalism, this one can't really be laid at its feet. It's a result of abuse of a government-created regulation by private industries; it owes as much to government intervention as it does to the lack thereof, and thus occupies a weird limbo where it can't be ascribed to any particular economic philosophy except greed.

Better policymaking would really help out in situations like this, but the issue is that this is a politically rather unessential thing - sure, you're losing a lot of intellectual potential and a lot of idealists are bruised, but there isn't something tangibly disastrous besides a few scholars going poor. Thus, it's things like this that shoehorn in change as said idealists take action.

Hope none of that stuff is math, because once a math paper is published, that stuff should basically be considered free for universal consumption.  This is one of the reasons why mathematicians are terrible at citations, for example.

Hurm...

There might be a few in there. I've almost finished getting my copy of the archives, so I'll take a look at that when it's done.

And if you copy something at the university library, the copy machine is probably going to be overpriced too.  You just can't win.

Not all of us have access to good universities that have subscriptions to databases like this. Not all of us live in that candy-coated world of yours, and without a nearby institute with a subscription (and enough money to study at said university), it's prohibitively expensive.

In my experience, I think most of the money that academic publishers make now is from universities buying student-wide subscriptions.  At least any American university worth its salt will have unlimited access to dozens of scientific journal storehouses (JSTOR especially, useless as they are), the cost of which is spread out into tuition prices.  But even so, once you find how much the stuff costs to people not enrolled in college, it becomes clear that any ordinary person trying to have access to the same information would have to spend thousands of dollars a year.

Agreed. If this information were to be open, it would go a very long way indeed toward promoting both a higher standard of scientific knowledge, and higher awareness on part of a nation's citizens.

.... nice but its not like articles from before 1927 will have loads of stuff relevant to today's concerns. You might find it more interesting to google "open access journals"  or check the freebies that ppv journals do offer. Normally they give some free articles every month. Finally, if you find an article you want to read but is not for free anywhere, you could mail the author and ask him or her for a copy

There's a lot of work that goes in between submission and eventual publication, which is part of the reason it often takes up to two-three years for a single paper to be approved and published. It's pretty unlikely, if not impossible, that you'll get free access directly from the author.

This has some value to it beyond the literal, in my opinion. It's a sign that people are willing to make change in such an area - and free potentially valuable information in the process. It's just a matter of time before a larger payload of more recent articles is leaked.
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Are we allowed to direct link here? Toady? If not send it to me via pms so as not to 'harm' the public.
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Are we allowed to direct link here? Toady? If not send it to me via pms so as not to 'harm' the public.

If you mean the database itself, just follow the link in the article I provided.
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Wait, articles from 1927 aren't free yet?

I lose more faith in capitalism every day.

What? There was an arson last night where a man poured a 55 gallon drum of diesel on the roof and burned a house down?

Damn that useless fire department!
Totally offtopic, but the fire department is a government run (IE socialist) organization. If it were capitalist they'd be handing you a bill after saving (or trying to save) your house.
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Hope none of that stuff is math, because once a math paper is published, that stuff should basically be considered free for universal consumption.  This is one of the reasons why mathematicians are terrible at citations, for example.

Hurm...

LOL...I had never thought of that before. It would be pretty horrific if you had
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I'd think historians, especially historians of science would squee themselves at the chance to have unfettered access to old scientific papers.
Archaeologists too.
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Downloading to place in what I call my "Library of (currently not-so-) Infinite Knowledge" for studying for Knowledge Bowl. These should be handy.
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Downloading to place in what I call my "Library of (currently not-so-) Infinite Knowledge" for studying for Knowledge Bowl. These should be handy.

Admit it, you just want to be Leibowitz after the Zombie Apocalypse is over.  :P
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For someone IN the academic circle, things are not that bad. Although the fee of subscribing is a relic from the old paper journals era, it's functioning like the fee of joining a particular academic club. And although you need to pay fee to view certain article in a database, but if a paper is important enough (many citations), it will most definitely become public when it's published. (by the authors themselves or sending papers through peers reviews).

If you want to find certain papers, the "google scholar" search is more powerful than any other journal database. And I can say that majority of the papers are pretty much worthless, especially in recent years. People go to graduated school to get their diplomas, instead of making research. Those papers published by them are just repeating works of their professors. And you just paid money to buy junks. (Many journals are simply junks). But when you are serious about joining the academic club, then you will find it's a whole new different ball game.

There are downsides about this though, since many academic researches are just for the sack of researches, industries tend not to look for inspirations from them. They have their own research labs and even their own journals. Hence most of the time it's something already been done in academic circle, but industries have to reinvent the same concepts again years later. And the true ground breaking researches and technologies do not get published in the academic journals. (Once you published the papers, it's not hard to get a pattern out of it, hence many papers will deliberately be vague about the most important core concepts)
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I do miss unfettered free access to JSTOR. Well, I suppose it's not totally gone, I'd just need to go over to campus to access it.
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