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[IT 000]

Here's my random suggestions to Toady One for some Siege Improvements.

Currently sieges range from a group of easy peezy mace goblins to a group hard as slade crossbow gobs. Same with ambushes. I propose that sieges and ambushes come with varying weapons and skills from their entity. This way it makes the sieges more challenging by providing both ranged and melee units. Also making it seem more realistic.

Additionally there should be a [SIEGE_TIME:xxx] tag. This would come in handy for hit and run civilizations, and make the year round sieges more bearable if they were shorter for goblins, but longer for humans. This could be used on the kobold civ. As they don't have the strength to face a +steel armored+ dwarf head on, their best bet is to show up, kill the cattle, then flee before the plump helmets bloom.

Finally [SIEGES_YEARS_AFTER_EMBARK:xxx] tag would be nice as well. Along with the current setup, based off of wealth, population, and exports. The problem arises when certain mods have uber creatures that show up to early because of a first or second year artifact. A tag that restricts the civ from attacking until so many years after embark would make the civilization more controlled.

I have a handful of other ideas, but most of them would only apply to mods. I'm attempting to supply tags that could be useful with both mods and the vanilla. Thoughts or suggestions are welcome.

[612DwarfAvenue]

Yes, yes, and yes.

An additional idea: Formations. Depending on certain tags, Humans may stay in formation, moving towards you as one, whereas Goblins will be all scattered and such.

Also, to fit in with both your first idea and mine, include tags to specify what they siege with. Like, Humans will have mostly rank-and-file soldiers armed with basically the same stuff, and they stay on formation, while Goblins are equipped with whatever they happen to loot beforehand, and aren't as disciplined.


Basically, have them in tags, instead of a hard-coded change.

[IT 000]

While I'm at it, a [CHANCE_OF_SIEGE:xxx] tag would be equally nice, instead of a 100% chance of a siege every season ad infinitum, goblins could have [CHANCE_OF_SIEGE:75] which would mean a 75% chance of siege, this would make sieges a lot more of a surprise instead of clockwork.

Great ideas 612DwarfAvenue. 

[Logrin]

What about showing up with actual seige engines? I could see humans going all out and bombarding your fortress with high impact weaponry.

[612DwarfAvenue]

^ I believe Siege Engines are planned for the future, but in the meantime we only have soldiers.

[IT 000]

What about showing up with actual seige engines? I could see humans going all out and bombarding your fortress with high impact weaponry.

Yeah it's planned, for reference here's all the stuff Toady has said under 'Improved Sieges'

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    Eliminate remaining edge-of-map exploits
    More highly trained attacking soldiers when approprate
    Many trap exploits are handled above by requiring more to produce a trap, things like cage traps should make more sense vs. large creatures etc. (respect strength/ability vs. material, large cages might be separate object)
    Coming up with a plan to overcome pathing obstacles to reach fortress innards
        Ability to dig (optionally, default on)
        Ability to build bridges/ramps
        Ability to use grappling hooks/ladders/climb
    Learning from mistakes if first attempted assault plan fails badly
        For instance, if many siegers are killed, caged, etc. in a given hallway, they shouldn't generally go that way again, even if that means building/climbing/digging
    Siege engine improvements depend on state of boats, lifts/moving fortress sections, since these should all use the same framework

[loose nut]

I will say that at the point when siegers are capable of using ladders, I want to be able to use ladders.

I will be very annoyed to find goblins scaling my walls if I still can't get Urist McUnforesightedMason down from a roof without launching a minor construction project.