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[Demicus]

1:  Porcelain throne... get it?  Porcelain throne?

*groans* That's just...horrible.

[FallingWhale]

1:  Porcelain throne... get it?  Porcelain throne?

... apparently, my pun detector needs to go in for repair.   

Double entendre: toilets.

You can't fire a block, if it's thicker then 3/4" it will, literally, explode.

[agatharchides]

I daresay you could make clay furniture if only by making the components individually and assembling them later, but it would be a lot of work and unless you modeled that rather silly. You can make almost anything out of anything. I was just reading about marble cannonballs carved by hand at 12 piasters apiece. I've seen chairs made of deer antlers. But you can't just grab a lump of clay and whip out a chair with basic tools like you can with wood and so unless you can somehow model the extra trouble it is probably better to disallow it..

[The Phoenixian]

I daresay you could make clay furniture if only by making the components individually and assembling them later, but it would be a lot of work and unless you modeled that rather silly. You can make almost anything out of anything. I was just reading about marble cannonballs carved by hand at 12 piasters apiece. I've seen chairs made of deer antlers. But you can't just grab a lump of clay and whip out a chair with basic tools like you can with wood and so unless you can somehow model the extra trouble it is probably better to disallow it..

Perhaps it should explode in the kiln, or have a chance to explode in the kiln, unless it has a certain minimum quality?

[agatharchides]

Sure, or make 10 'chair parts' you need to assemble the whole thing. Of course if we are talking about a cylinder of clay like some people were suggesting, that is probably possible if fragile. Maybe if it had a framework or straw or something to solidify it rather than being pure clay. Still, the whole thing seem a bit unnecessary to me. Pottery has been around longer than writing, it is one of the chief things found by archeologists and yet I've never heard of clay furniture.  Of course, stone chairs are not exactly common either so I guess we are working in a different environment.

[Ethicalfive]

at the cost of $2500, would be a good item for trades!

[Kaos]

what about toilets? and hand washers? they are technically a porcelain/stoneware/earthenware chair/throne and (kind of) table....


we use it every day so it's possible..... they don't break when you use them....


which brings us to another question.... since DF is so detailed and realistic and such... well... what about Dwarven needs? I mean all that booze and prepared meals have to go somewhere....., don't they? 

[tHe_silent_H]

what about toilets? and hand washers? they are technically a porcelain/stoneware/earthenware chair/throne and (kind of) table....


we use it every day so it's possible..... they don't break when you use them....


which brings us to another question.... since DF is so detailed and realistic and such... well... what about Dwarven needs? I mean all that booze and prepared meals have to go somewhere....., don't they? 

Shhh, don't derail the thread!

Also i think having chairs from pottry would be most comedic!

[Kaos]

what about toilets? and hand washers? they are technically a porcelain/stoneware/earthenware chair/throne and (kind of) table....


we use it every day so it's possible..... they don't break when you use them....


which brings us to another question.... since DF is so detailed and realistic and such... well... what about Dwarven needs? I mean all that booze and prepared meals have to go somewhere....., don't they? 

Shhh, don't derail the thread!

Also i think having chairs from pottry would be most comedic!

ahhh? but derailing things is so dwarfy!! I just read a thread that started asking how to copy some ruins design into a fortress and ended up in a discussion about nordic flocklore and Tolkien's The Silmarillon     I love these forums!!   


Compared to that what I ask is in-topic...
clay furniture > pottery furniture > toilets > dwarf needs
see? 

[Blade Master Model 42]

Compared to that what I ask is in-topic...
clay furniture > pottery furniture > toilets > dwarf needs
see? 

I see no issue with your logic.

Getting back to the main issue:

Clay furniture is unrealistic. It's already been said, but apparently bears repeating. Clay can only be made so thick before, even after being dried, enough water is retained that the pressure inside turns that ur-sculpture (or sofa, or bedframe, whatever the heck it is you people feel the desire to be made from clay) into a bomb. Also, clay is fragile after you fire it, mostly because it's so thin. So sitting on it is going to mash it, even if you had the infeasibly large kiln with which to make it in the first place. You could make it stronger by adding more clay, but, well, go back a few sentences.

You might be able to mitigate this by applying strange architectural techniques, but really, that's splitting hairs. Bottom Line, it doesn't work.

All or none of this may apply to porcelain, I didn't work with that in high school.

Who says High School Art Classes are a waste of time?

[Techhead]

I actually have seen large earthenware sculptures made. Large enough they can't be moved unfired, and the kiln has to be built up around it for it to be fired in place.

Unfeasible, but with porous earthenware, possible.

[Kaos]

Compared to that what I ask is in-topic...
clay furniture > pottery furniture > toilets > dwarf needs
see? 

I see no issue with your logic.

Getting back to the main issue:

Clay furniture is unrealistic. It's already been said, but apparently bears repeating. Clay can only be made so thick before, even after being dried, enough water is retained that the pressure inside turns that ur-sculpture (or sofa, or bedframe, whatever the heck it is you people feel the desire to be made from clay) into a bomb. Also, clay is fragile after you fire it, mostly because it's so thin. So sitting on it is going to mash it, even if you had the infeasibly large kiln with which to make it in the first place. You could make it stronger by adding more clay, but, well, go back a few sentences.

You might be able to mitigate this by applying strange architectural techniques, but really, that's splitting hairs. Bottom Line, it doesn't work.

All or none of this may apply to porcelain, I didn't work with that in high school.

Who says High School Art Classes are a waste of time?

I was not joking, isn't a toilet a type of clay furniture? (fixed furniture at it but furniture nevertheless) is basically a fired clay chair and you sit on it daily without smashing it.... so it is realistic and it does work, doesn't it?

[Darkmere]

Go watch how porcelain toilets are made, and ask yourself if that method fits the pre-1400 timeline for DF.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Compared to that what I ask is in-topic...
clay furniture > pottery furniture > toilets > dwarf needs
see? 

I see no issue with your logic.

Getting back to the main issue:

Clay furniture is unrealistic. It's already been said, but apparently bears repeating. Clay can only be made so thick before, even after being dried, enough water is retained that the pressure inside turns that ur-sculpture (or sofa, or bedframe, whatever the heck it is you people feel the desire to be made from clay) into a bomb. Also, clay is fragile after you fire it, mostly because it's so thin. So sitting on it is going to mash it, even if you had the infeasibly large kiln with which to make it in the first place. You could make it stronger by adding more clay, but, well, go back a few sentences.

You might be able to mitigate this by applying strange architectural techniques, but really, that's splitting hairs. Bottom Line, it doesn't work.

All or none of this may apply to porcelain, I didn't work with that in high school.

Who says High School Art Classes are a waste of time?

I was not joking, isn't a toilet a type of clay furniture? (fixed furniture at it but furniture nevertheless) is basically a fired clay chair and you sit on it daily without smashing it.... so it is realistic and it does work, doesn't it?

And?

[tHe_silent_H]

what about toilets? and hand washers? they are technically a porcelain/stoneware/earthenware chair/throne and (kind of) table....


we use it every day so it's possible..... they don't break when you use them....


which brings us to another question.... since DF is so detailed and realistic and such... well... what about Dwarven needs? I mean all that booze and prepared meals have to go somewhere....., don't they? 

Shhh, don't derail the thread!

Also i think having chairs from pottry would be most comedic!

ahhh? but derailing things is so dwarfy!! I just read a thread that started asking how to copy some ruins design into a fortress and ended up in a discussion about nordic flocklore and Tolkien's The Silmarillon     I love these forums!!   


Compared to that what I ask is in-topic...
clay furniture > pottery furniture > toilets > dwarf needs
see? 

even if a train is slightly derailed, it will still crash

and i'm pretty sure dwarfes do not have the tech to produce clay toilets. still if you really want them in you can just mod them in as a custom "workshop", complete with products that cna fertilize feilds/pruduce miasma