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[0x517A5D]

Be advised that FATE installs spyware (or used to do so).  Spyware that crashed Windows under some circumstances.  Probably fixed now, but…

I suggest that if you play FATE, deactivate the WildTangent service process and find a cracked FATE executable.  I used the one cracked by “TSRH”, and had no problems.

I think the spy process was named Wire, or had that in the name.

Some discussion in this Torchlight thread.

[freeformschooler]

oops double post

[freeformschooler]

FATE 4?
Anything worth mentioning of difference from the original? otherwise I'm going to stick with Torchlight & Diablo & Co.

Lots:

-A much more different starting town, and if I'm correct more than one other town
-4 (or maybe more) dungeons
-A "party system" where you can recruit followers
-Four (I think) races to choose from
-other boring stuff

EDIT: whoops, sorry didn't mean to double post

[Aklyon]

Is there more nice flute-y music? Thats really the only thing that stood out to me before.

[0x517A5D]

-A much more different starting town, and if I'm correct more than one other town
-4 (or maybe more) dungeons
-A "party system" where you can recruit followers
-Four (I think) races to choose from

Multiple towns sounds nice.  I assume still no overworld map?

Followers that are not temporary summons sounds neat.


One thing I don't like about Diablo-alikes is that you are expected to, and can, defeat everything.

I'd really like to see more in the way of scouting and evaluating opponents, where you don't wake the §Dragon§, you find a way around its lair.

[anzki4]

One thing I don't like about Diablo-alikes is that you are expected to, and can, defeat everything.

I'd really like to see more in the way of scouting and evaluating opponents, where you don't wake the §Dragon§, you find a way around its lair.

But then again IMO, the whole point of these games are that you (at least eventually) can kill everything. But it would be nice to have some enemies, that you cannot beat until later in game, even before you are strong enough to kill them.

[nenjin]

It's not Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Maybe diablo-likes would benefit from rogue-like gameplay elements...but your average gamer's expectation when they encounter content is not to lose because there's no way to win. Mainstream gamers consider that broken, even on endless re-creatable worlds.

[Rex_Nex]

Hmm.

I played the first Fate. Had some serious design flaws; 100,000 gold coin loot by fishing at the pond in town at level one, anyone?

[Aklyon]

Hmm.

I played the first Fate. Had some serious design flaws; 100,000 gold coin loot by fishing at the pond in town at level one, anyone?

It was possible to create a ring of nigh-invincibility that had no requirements except Level 2. And a multi-element uberbow that only did 5 damage but was amplified ridiculously by the bonuses attached to it. And then spawn both before you ever entered the dungeon.
Had to mod it a bit to do so, but that was fun.